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9/29/2009 7:25:49 AM
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Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

First off, I'd like to say thank you to Bungie for making an incredible game yet again! And I'd also like to say that Dante's Divine Comedy is one of my favorite pieces of classic literature. More of this in time. [b]As a note, I am neither for or against any religion mentioned in this post, it is purely from the standpoint of literature. I am discussing a novel, not religion.[/b] ----SPOILER WARNING----- If you haven't beaten the game yet, what are you doing cruising the forums? Go play! So there was this little novel written a while ago, by this one guy named Dante. It was a political satire, meant to make examples of current members of society and the Church at the time, but it's main influence is that of the views of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. And what does all this have to do with ODST, I can hear you all asking. Well, more than you think. I haven't analyzed the entire game for references, this is mostly just dealing with the Rookie's story. ---- The Rookie has crash landed into a building, has been knocked unconscious, and has awoken later to find himself alone in the city. The city is now quite literally Hell on Earth. But the Rookie is not truly alone. He has a guide through this hell, the SuperIntendent. Through the audio logs in the campaign, we come to find that the name of the SI is actually VERGIL. And you may have noticed that audio logs are all labeled "# Circle," all the way up to 9. Interesting. [quote]In the Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno, Dante is guided through Hell by the Roman poet, Virgil. Hell consists of nine circles, each more horrible and punishing than the last. The circles of Hell spiral down into the Earth, to it's very core.[/quote] After you find out the fate of your squad, the Rookie heads underground to locate DARE. You find yourself on the 8th level of VERGIL's data center. You need to locate Dare, who is on the 9th level. Fancy that. After much fighting, you find yourself on the 9th level, which happens to be almost completely frozen... [quote]The 9th circle of Hell, in the Inferno, is actually cold. Ice cold. The punishment here is for that of Treason. The higher the crime, the more encased in ice you shall be. The very center of the 9th circle is where Satan himself resides, encased in ice up to his waist, beating his wings, whose gusts of air cause the 9th circle to be encased in ice. Satan himself has three faces, and each is chewing on the three (at the time) greatest betrayers. Their punishment for betraying their lords and benefactors is to be eternally gnawed on by Satan himself.[/quote] The Rookie and DARE finally reach VERGIL's core, and there they find the source of this whole fiasco. The rogue Engineer. He has chosen to betray his benefactors, his lords, the entire whole of the Covenant itself. And they are literally coming to chew him to pieces. ---- There you have it folks. My analysis, and hypothesis, and all other sorts of -sis. I've only played through campaign once, but there may be even further references to the Divine Comedy. There are 9 levels of purgatory before one reaches Paradise(Heaven). If someone could confirm how many sections of freeway there are in the final level, we may have our answer. The escape at the end of the game could very well be the escape from Purgatory. If anyone else has more references to levels of Hell, or to any of the other campaign character's stories, please let me know, I'd be interested to see how far they have taken this. For further reference, hit up Wikipedia, it's pretty extensive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy[/url] Thanks so much to whoever stuck around and dealt with my massive post. Happy Haloing to you all. tl;dr: Go read a book =P -----ADDITIONAL FINDINGS----- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Overlord Jebus Maybe each of the 9 circles of audio logs each represent their circle? I can already think of gluttony and lust off the top of my head.[/quote] Thanks for bringing this up, we need to just double check to make sure that each "Circle" of audio logs corresponds to the sin of that particular circle of Hell, which I already know it does. --- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil? How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.[/quote] Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.[/quote] I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.[/quote] Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =) [Edited on 09.29.2009 1:26 AM PDT]
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  • Hmm... Dante's Inferno in FPS form. Awesome.

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  • While I love ODST, I believe I love the story of Dante's Inferno better. It shows what happens to those who don't accept God's sacrifices and love for them. I'm proud of Bungie for doing this. It proves that people who play video games for a life really ARE intelligent and philosophical.

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  • Nice. I did not notice that.

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  • I didn't realize that either until I went onto Halopedia and I read about the references to Divine Comedy. Of course, I'd be lying if I said that I've actually read the story, which I haven't. But knowing this actually adds more depth to an already rich game story. But one thing I would like to know is...if Bungie was spending so much time working on both Reach and ODST at the same time, then were the similiarities and references actually just coincidences, or did the people at Bungie stay up longer than a healthy person should while thinking of story elements?

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  • aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah a work of art i just played a story without realising it maybe they will work a few more books into their games

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  • MY HEAD IS ABOUT TO ASPLODE FROM TEH FAKT I JUST PLAYED A BOOK!

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  • Well it bears about the same level of similarity to the Divine Comedy as Dantes Inferno did...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Excal XVII Nice work.[/quote] i noticed this too. it was just like Dante's Inferno. Lot's of people have been making reference to it nowadays.

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  • A tenuous connection, IMO... but somewhat interesting none the less.

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  • they were nicknamed helljumpers in 2001 or so, when one of those halo books came out. I think it was the fall of reach. Anyway, the nickname came to them before bungie thought of the idea of this game.

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  • yeah, there are exactly and is always exactly 3 brutes it is usually 2 bodyguards and one cheiftan, though the cheiftan is always there the bodyguards may also be minors on easy, bodyguards or minors on normal, bodyguards on herioc, and i think captains on legendary [Edited on 04.06.2010 12:13 PM PDT]

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  • i also noticed that in one of the circles,(in odst) whats-her-face meets a fat guy, relating to glutony.

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  • not surprising with all the biblical -blam!- bungie crams into they're canon.

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  • Oddly enough, I bought the Divine Comedy about two weeks ago. I'll have to read it and play through the game again at the same time just to be sure. It all sound iffy, but then that would be a an aweful lot of coincidences in one game.

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  • Impressive, most impressive.

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  • good job

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  • that is so wierd how you found that out

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARMAN321 Danves | Exalted Heroic Member | more groups | gamertag: Omikron 12user homepage: more posts by this userlast post: 03.23.2010 5:41 PM PDTI don't believe in magic, but I DO believe in bones. Yeah, the first circle is just where all the good non-Christians chill out for eternity. Basically Purgatory as Cadetak said. I think that fits pretty well for the general populace of New Mombasa. Just everyday people who got caught up in all of this. oh so putting one religion foward is the way to go nice... -BLAM-hole [/quote] Lolwut. U mad? =P

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  • Danves | Exalted Heroic Member | more groups | gamertag: Omikron 12user homepage: more posts by this userlast post: 03.23.2010 5:41 PM PDTI don't believe in magic, but I DO believe in bones. Yeah, the first circle is just where all the good non-Christians chill out for eternity. Basically Purgatory as Cadetak said. I think that fits pretty well for the general populace of New Mombasa. Just everyday people who got caught up in all of this. oh so putting one religion foward is the way to go nice... -BLAM-hole

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GexI47 Danves, I really love The devine comedy and i think this actually was a really great find... But I think it needs a little bit more evidance for it to make me belive in it.[/quote] [quote]could maybe this solve the mystery of the dead elites?[/quote] I don't know how much more evidence I can give. This is all allegorical, mind you, and it is up to you to see the connections for yourself. As for the audio logs which were done by Fourth Wall Studios (NOT Bungie), they said so themselves that the logs are a direct allegory to Dante's Inferno. [url=http://games.venturebeat.com/2009/10/09/how-the-startup-fourth-wall-studios-created-a-game-inside-a-game-for-bungie]"Each character [Sadie] meets has a counterpart in Dante's Inferno."[/url] And for the dead elites. They're just... dead elites. They were killed by the Brutes, one of the many deaths due to "The Great Schism." There are those "glyphs" near their bodies, but according to Halopedia, "They are usually seen in or near areas of interest, such as locations with dead Sangheili or supply caches." These are created by the Engineers, and I've heard some theories stating that the Engineers recognize the betrayal of the Elites by the Brutes and Prophets, and that the "glyphs" are some sort of memorial to them. I wouldn't put too much stock into a few dead Elites that seemed to be more of a plot point, than anything. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thatguyaknow Wow, thats pretty good. I just want a bungie employee to confirm now XD. Also there are "stone henge rooms" spread around new mombossa. Maybe that has some kind of relation?[/quote]Really, tell me where to find them.[/quote] [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:NM_sectors.png]Sectors 4, 5, and 6, I believe. Small triangle rooms with a circle in the middle.[/url] Though I haven't played it in a while, and I am unsure of anything dealing with the Stonehenge rooms. They seem to be somewhat of a sanctuary for the engineers, and there are quite a few of the "glyphs" strewn about each room, but that's as much as I know. There's a whole different theory on those, however, and I don't think they are related to the Inferno. [Edited on 03.23.2010 5:50 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thatguyaknow Wow, thats pretty good. I just want a bungie employee to confirm now XD. Also there are "stone henge rooms" spread around new mombossa. Maybe that has some kind of relation?[/quote]Really, tell me where to find them.

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  • could maybe this solve the mystery of the dead elites?

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  • Danves, I really love The devine comedy and i think this actually was a really great find... But I think it needs a little bit more evidance for it to make me belive in it.

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  • AHA. So it seems that the Halo series involves some poetry. Remember this quote? You better. "This is the way the world ends". That quote is from the major poem, "The Hollow Men". It is a portion of the final stanza of the poem. This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.

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  • Wow, thats pretty good. I just want a bungie employee to confirm now XD. Also there are "stone henge rooms" spread around new mombossa. Maybe that has some kind of relation?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] moofant Very good analysis. I am still working on my overall analysis of themes of all the halo games. The halo series has a meaning, a [i]theme[/i]. Few people realize this, but anyone with a high school level english class under their belt is able to comprehend it. But it's [b]deep[/b], really deep.[/quote] Thankee sai. And you should hit me up once you're done with it, or post it somewhere on the forums. I'll be interested in reading it =)[/quote] Will do. It's gonna be a while though. There's just [i]so[/i] much ground to cover.

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