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Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

All throughout the Halo trilogy, we have been led to believe there is a connection between the Forerunners and Humanity. For example, Halo can only be fired by a human, 343 Guilty Spark recognises humanity as "Reclaimers," naming the Covenant as 'Meddlers.' The terminals also imply a deep connection. Now, many have speculated that Forerunners are humans, yet more advanced. Some believe that Forerunners adopted us as their heirs. There are a fair few crazy theories out there, most, if not all, basically stating that humans are in some way descended from Forerunners. Now I approach you with a different outlook. What if humanity were not descended from the Forerunners, but what if they were, in fact, the fabled Precursors' last legacy? First, I'll dismiss the argument that 343 Guilty Spark says "You are Forerunner," to John-117 by saying this - Spark has always been confused, in Combat Evolved, he believed you were the Forerunner who activated Halo the first time around. In the Bestarium, it makes mention that all of Spark's observations are 'Under Investigation', whereas Tangent's (Monitor of Installation 05) observations are all confirmed. Now I know what you're thinking: "Wolverfrog, you nutter! They can't be precursors, that's impossible!" But is it really? Let's start by taking a look at what the word 'Reclaimer' really means. To recover, to reclaim what was once yours. Now I don't see why the Forerunners would attribute humanity with such a term, it wouldn't make sense if humans are supposed to be the adopted race of the Forerunners. However, assuming hypothetically that humanity are in fact the last remnant of the Precursors, it would make sense. A safe thing to assume would be that Forerunner technology is based off Precursor technology, much in the same way that the Covenant base their technology off the Forerunners. Now if that is the case, then it would make sense that the Forerunners would name the humans 'Reclaimer', to inherit, and regain all that they lost. In the terminals, the Librarian, love of the Didact, refers to Earth as Eden, and a place of wonder. Iris, the Halo 3 ARG, also has a little to say on this. [quote][i]The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line. The secrets it holds must be preserved, plans within plans within plans. [b]The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched. They may hold answers to our own mysteries[/b]. What irony that we discovered this treasure, only at the end of things. But what fortune that we still had time to save them. The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives, but perhaps one day it will be used for its intended purpose. If the plan succeeds, and they are saved, it will be a good world. If the plan fails, and the adversary succeeds, it will remain an enigma forever with no one left to reclaim it. [/i][/quote] Now you see, it is talking about Earth, and the 'unique denizens' are humanity. It leaves you with the questions, why must we be researched? What answers can we give to the Forerunners? Surely simply being chosen by the Forerunners to carry on their work in the event that they perish does not grant us this amount of awe? I believe that Earth is a Precursor world, perhaps their home world. At the very height of their power, the precursors were the dominant force throughout the universe. However, due to unknown reasons, they vanished, passing down a mantle to their chosen race to continue their legacy: the Forerunners. However, what if the Precursors had [i]not[/i] been wiped out, but in fact, merely faded away, realising that omniscience was a terrible burden. A likely scenario is that the Precursors encountered the Flood, which would make the Flood much like the Reapers in Mass Effect; they wipe out cultures once they are advanced enough. The Flood could have forced the Precursors back into hiding, where they lost all their technology. Eventually, perhaps only one world, Earth, remained, and so eventually the Precursors had lost all of their knowledge and power, and became what we know today as humanity. I know you think a species 'devolving' seems unlikely, but I will direct you here to the case of the Brutes. At one point in their history, they were as advanced as the Covenant, until a civil war threw them back into the industrial age. Something similar of this sort could have happened to the Precursors. In the sixth terminal, the Librarian states this to the Didact. [quote]We knew this was a special place because of them, but unless you've been here, you can't know. [/quote] Now that seems to be good proof. She is calling Earth a special place because of [i]them[/i]. Just who are 'them?' Humanity springs to mind, but what if she was talking about the Precursors? It's a long shot, but it's an option, one that I believe. I've probably missed out a lot, I shall scourer the terminals again and make necessary edits. Thanks for reading, please voice your opinion. [quote][/quote] [b]Update 1.2[/b] (I had this all neatly typed up, but it got deleted by a posting error. So forgive me if some of this update doesn't make sense, it's late at night and I'm kind of tired.) Reach is situated within the Epsilon Eridani system, a mere 10.5 lightyears from the Sol System, and it's closest neighbouring system. Now, let's go with the idea that Earth was in fact, the Precursor homeworld. Once they had achieved space exploration level, it's likely the first system they would have discovered is the Epsilon Eridani system. The Precursors would have also discovered Reach, and probably inhabited it. Now let's jump to First Strike. Halsey and the Spartans discover a network of what they believe to be 'Forerunner caverns' underneath the ONI CASTLE facility. Inside these ruins, they discover a crystal, which can bend space and time. It seems awfully advanced, even for the Forerunners. Now, what if the Forerunners hadn't built the caverns and crystal, but the Precursors had? I'm not just thinking up random ideas as I go along though. What I find unlikely is that the Forerunners would have discovered Reach, but a few light years away from Earth, and have the time to construct caverns and house a ridiculously advanced crystal within, yet not discover Earth and humanity until a short time before activating Halo. Why would they waste time constructing such a complex when they were faced with extinction? My opinion is that the Precursors built it. Which is why, when Fred 104 touches the glyphs on the complex, he gets a 'Frustratingly familiar' feeling, as if he's seen them before. Genetic instincts perhaps, from humanity's Precursor ancestors? Simply becoming Reclaimers of the Forerunners wouldn't give humanity instinctive knowledge of how their technology works. And if the Forerunners based all their technology off of the Precursors relics they had discovered, it would explain why the Master Chief sub conciously could activate the various devices upon Halo. And, running along with this idea that Reach had been colonised by the Precursors, what if every UNSC Colony world which had mysterious 'Forerunner artefacts' were in fact, also Precursor? Perhaps humanity was merely following in their Precursors ancestors ancient footsteps, as they themselves first ventured into the Galactic beyond. [b]Update 2.0[/b] Oh Lord, this is all too perfect. The first Halo Legends episode, [i]The Babysitter[/i] was released, and it speaks volumes for this theory. The ODSTs have a mission alongside a Spartan to assassinate a Prophet at some unknown alien ruins. Cortez, the ODST squad leader, at some point in the mission briefing says: [quote]"The architecture is not Covenant design and it sure as hell wasn't built by humans. It pre-dates both sides."[/quote] As I was watching this I nodded along and thought, 'Forerunner'. That's what it pointed to right? Perhaps not. Later on when we actually see these ruins, they sure look confusing. It actually looks more like human ancient Japanese design than Forerunner. Naturally, everyone is complaining about it, saying it isn't Forerunner. And perhaps it isn't. Perhaps it is Precursor. Now let's say, back in the day, the Precursors built some structures like that, with that design. They colonise the planet their human descendants (Remember the greater theory) walk upon hundreds of thousands of years later. And they build these ruins. Now what if, in the Haloverse, Japanese building designs were inspired by ancient Precursor blueprints that the ancient Japanese discovered? What if those ruins on the planet in [i]The Babysitter[/i] are in fact meant to look like they do? Not Forerunner ruins, but Precursor. Also, the statues inside the ruins show what seem to be animals usually found on Earth. And who do we theorise do originate from Earth? That's right, the Precursors. If the Forerunners had built the ruins, then surely they would have images of their Gods, not animals. [b]In other words: [/b] - Precursors colonise planet, build ruins we see in [i]The Babysitter.[/i] - Precursors then become humanity after catastrophic event. - Halo is fired by Forerunners. - Precursor remnants (humans) repopulate Earth. - Ancient Japanese discover incredibly old Precursor building blueprints, design their buildings in the same way. - ODST squad and Spartan in [i]The Babysitter[/i] discover these ancient ruins, Halo fans cry out "But they're not Forerunner!" - Because they aren't. They're Precursor. [b]Last minute input: [/b][url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18391672&postcount=243]Oh my God, Frankie just practically confirmed this section of the theory![/url] [Edited on 11.07.2009 3:54 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.[/quote] Percy Jackson FTW. But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.[/quote] True, true.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.[/quote] Percy Jackson FTW. But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.

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  • Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead. [quote][i]"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."[/i][/quote] "Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it [i]flows[/i]. An appropriate metaphor. Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time," We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2. The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume. And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..." This [i]must[/i] relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.[/quote] Dude, thats damn amazing. "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose". I take that like this. His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others. This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die. [/quote] That's a great point relating to Greek Mythology. The meta-game achievement for Cortana is called "Orpheus". Orpheus was the hero who delved into the Underworld to save his wife from Hades, he almost escaped but failed. This is very similar to Halo 3's mission Cortana, you delve into High Charity, a place of the dead like the Underworld but the difference is that you survive.[/quote] With Hurcules, He is cursed by Hera to have much pain. She forces him to kill his family but he cant end his own pain because he cannot die. The fates say he will become a god so they protect him from death. [/quote] Yeah. And with Achilles, he bathed in the River Styx whilst his mother held him by his heel. Hence his weak spot where he was killed. From what I heard, he is stuck in Asphodel. Anyways, we should return to the matter of hand. And you may consider the friend request I am going to send you. [Edited on 08.30.2009 11:38 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead. [quote][i]"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."[/i][/quote] "Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it [i]flows[/i]. An appropriate metaphor. Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time," We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2. The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume. And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..." This [i]must[/i] relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.[/quote] Dude, thats damn amazing. "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose". I take that like this. His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others. This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die. [/quote] That's a great point relating to Greek Mythology. The meta-game achievement for Cortana is called "Orpheus". Orpheus was the hero who delved into the Underworld to save his wife from Hades, he almost escaped but failed. This is very similar to Halo 3's mission Cortana, you delve into High Charity, a place of the dead like the Underworld but the difference is that you survive.[/quote] With Hurcules, He is cursed by Hera to have much pain. She forces him to kill his family but he cant end his own pain because he cannot die. The fates say he will become a god so they protect him from death.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead. [quote][i]"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."[/i][/quote] "Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it [i]flows[/i]. An appropriate metaphor. Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time," We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2. The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume. And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..." This [i]must[/i] relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.[/quote] Dude, thats damn amazing. "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose". I take that like this. His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others. This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die. [/quote] That's a great point relating to Greek Mythology. The meta-game achievement for Cortana is called "Orpheus". Orpheus was the hero who delved into the Underworld to save his wife from Hades, he almost escaped but failed. This is very similar to Halo 3's mission Cortana, you delve into High Charity, a place of the dead like the Underworld but the difference is that you survive.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Trancient Ghost Listen you -blam!-, I understand more than your ass can read, don't put words I havent said. And I never fuqking said that the Forerunners CREATED THE FLOOD, I just gave my damn opinion Dumb ass. Im reporting this thread. I don't care much about your cuntie brains.[/quote] ..... WTF are you smoking?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead. [quote][i]"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."[/i][/quote] "Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it [i]flows[/i]. An appropriate metaphor. Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time," We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2. The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume. And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..." This [i]must[/i] relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.[/quote] Dude, thats damn amazing. "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose". I take that like this. His sentence is his very existence. He does not deserve the pain and sorrow that came with it. He might not even be a failed experiment. He could have been success, a perfect species. That was the precursor sin. Playing god and thinking they can meddle with life as if it where a game. This is why the flood so strongly wants to consume everything. He wants every one to be the same, an abomination like him. But he mask this with lies, illusions, to fool not only his enemy but himself as well. And they activated halo 4.1, so that part of the gravemind is destroyed. But there is probably more throughout the galaxy as well as others. This is his curse. A curse of Hercules and Achilles. Being forced to walk the earth in great pain, but unable to die.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Trancient Ghost You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them.[/quote] * [quote]Listen you -blam!-, I understand more than your ass can read, don't put words I havent said. And I never fuqking said that the Forerunners CREATED THE FLOOD, I just gave my damn opinion Dumb ass. Im reporting this thread. I don't care much about your cuntie brains.[/quote] And the brain of the 8-year old snaps... [Edited on 08.30.2009 11:23 AM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Trancient Ghost You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them. OR, Maybe, the Precursors where a little like the Covenant and they where passing trough the Galaxy called the Milky Way, and if you give it a possibility, they tougth the Forerunners ''a little'' and left. Besides, WHO knows how many galaxies the Precursors might have. Anotehr thing that is bothering me is that the Precursors where bad enough that they are still alive, that they brought the Flood to the Forerunners to handle and watch how they had to activate the halo rings and ultimatly DIE. there is a chance, but I think the Precursors are ''good peop;le'' and they won't do that, and that they are still alive in some other galaxies, and are afraid to ''GO'' back to The Milky Way. HaHa. Well, there are a trillion possible theories, but, only one or two are correct. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote][/quote] You clearly don't understand much. The Forerunners [i]never[/i] created the Flood. They discovered them on the planet G617g by the Primary Pioneer Group. And I doubt the Precursors were bad, the Flood could have been passed off as a "failed experiment".[/quote] Did you really read my post, because I never said that the FORERUNNERS created the Flood.

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  • Listen you -blam!-, I understand more than your ass can read, don't put words I havent said. And I never fuqking said that the Forerunners CREATED THE FLOOD, I just gave my damn opinion Dumb ass. Im reporting this thread. I don't care much about your cuntie brains.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Trancient Ghost You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them. OR, Maybe, the Precursors where a little like the Covenant and they where passing trough the Galaxy called the Milky Way, and if you give it a possibility, they tougth the Forerunners ''a little'' and left. Besides, WHO knows how many galaxies the Precursors might have. Anotehr thing that is bothering me is that the Precursors where bad enough that they are still alive, that they brought the Flood to the Forerunners to handle and watch how they had to activate the halo rings and ultimatly DIE. there is a chance, but I think the Precursors are ''good peop;le'' and they won't do that, and that they are still alive in some other galaxies, and are afraid to ''GO'' back to The Milky Way. HaHa. Well, there are a trillion possible theories, but, only one or two are correct. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote][/quote] You clearly don't understand much. The Forerunners [i]never[/i] created the Flood. They discovered them on the planet G617g by the Primary Pioneer Group. And I doubt the Precursors were bad, the Flood could have been passed off as a "failed experiment".

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  • Oh, My, God. you-are-amazing.LoL. If the -blam!- Precursors are Tier 0 or -0, then there is no WAY their Super Advance Reactors could have A single flaw. And besides, they could had called for help, and they could have fixed their Reactors, because they DO-NOT-USE fuel. They use -blam!- atoms to power their reactors, so they could had USE atoms from a near star and left with or without visiting Earth, Do you now understand. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote] They may have been "born" in the Milky Way however they may have ran out of a fuel source in the Galaxy and went to another one in which the Flood was created, and they knew Earth had all of the ingredients needed for life to excel and eventually grow into a civilization beyond even there own, so they retreated and de-evolved. About your other point, it is possible that when the Forerunner were late tier 4 or early tier 3 they discovered a relic of the Precursors twoards the edge of the Universe and they based their tech off of theirs and it greatly increased there technological ability from what they were to early tier 1 or late tier 2.[/quote]

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  • I just wish Bungie had made all this sub story more obvious rather than making it so obscure. It would make the game so much more epic

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  • Just to back up this Halo 4 theory, I don't think that Gravemind is dead. [quote][i]"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition to time, to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..."[/i][/quote] "Like water I ebb and flow" obviously refers as to how the Flood spreads. How does a flood spread? Well a flood is water so it [i]flows[/i]. An appropriate metaphor. Here's the juicy bit: "Defeat is simply the addition to time," We know that Gravemind was defeated during the Forerunner/Flood war (over Installation 05?). But what he is aying is defeat is only an addition to the time it takes for him to reform. Like when High Charity is destroyed, Cortana says that the Gravemind is trying to reform of the new Installation 04.2. The destruction of that Ring is just another setback, there is still sufficient biomass around the Ark for the Gravemind to consume. And finally: "to a sentence I never deserved but you would impose..." This [i]must[/i] relate to the topic of Humanity, the Precursors and the Forerunners. The Forerunners imposed defeat on the Gravemind when the Didact activated the Rings, and the precursors created (presumably) a race that would never be able to fit in with anyone else.

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  • You think so, Ok", well, the Flood could have actually come from another galaxy, but that is highly improbable since it says that the Forerunners created them. OR, Maybe, the Precursors where a little like the Covenant and they where passing trough the Galaxy called the Milky Way, and if you give it a possibility, they tougth the Forerunners ''a little'' and left. Besides, WHO knows how many galaxies the Precursors might have. Anotehr thing that is bothering me is that the Precursors where bad enough that they are still alive, that they brought the Flood to the Forerunners to handle and watch how they had to activate the halo rings and ultimatly DIE. there is a chance, but I think the Precursors are ''good peop;le'' and they won't do that, and that they are still alive in some other galaxies, and are afraid to ''GO'' back to The Milky Way. HaHa. Well, there are a trillion possible theories, but, only one or two are correct. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote] They may have been "born" in the Milky Way however they may have ran out of a fuel source in the Galaxy and went to another one in which the Flood was created, and they knew Earth had all of the ingredients needed for life to excel and eventually grow into a civilization beyond even there own, so they retreated and de-evolved. About your other point, it is possible that when the Forerunner were late tier 4 or early tier 3 they discovered a relic of the Precursors twoards the edge of the Universe and they based their tech off of theirs and it greatly increased there technological ability from what they were to early tier 1 or late tier 2.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy.[/quote] Yes. The precursor creating the flood (which I know firmly believe) makes complete sense. There the only know extra galactic creatures and the flood came from out side this galaxy. Im so making a thread on that epiphany I just had (or add it to my halo 4 thread???)

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  • Back on topic. Since Forerunner technology is based off the Precursors, I find it unlikely that the only Precursor relics left is Humanity. Of course, it's possible the Precursors come from a different galaxy entirely and were only "passing through" the Milky Way. This would make sense as the Flood come from a different Galaxy. [Edited on 08.30.2009 10:48 AM PDT]

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  • Ok, for all of you, I whant the humans to be Precursors. One hint. The Precursors are Tier 0, so, it means they can already have FULL control of a slipspace journey/trip and they can travel from Galaxy to Galaxies. Understand. AND maybe they knew the Forerunners and also knew they lived in a Galaxy so-called The Milky Way, and they did not bother to left Part of their technology, so, if you where to find their technology, it will be near the Ark or on other not-so-distant Galaxy(Or other near galaxies).

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Whoa, hijacked thread much? This is wonderful and everything, but it doesn't really relate to the main topic.[/quote] I LMAO i did. Sorry I just couldn't contain my enthusiasm.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Whoa, hijacked thread much? This is wonderful and everything, but it doesn't really relate to the main topic.[/quote] I did not Hi-jack the thread.

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  • I just had a sudden rush of inspiration there. That can happen sometimes to meespecially when writting. I just thought it would be a very emotinal and fitting end to the Star Wars of our day. O and I left out the thing where the gravemind says "A fathers sins, pass to his son". He says this because he still wants more. Never satisfied with the destruction of the precursors he wants more. But it all equates to nothing. And yes it does seem kinda star wars like, especially about the revenge part.

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  • What if the Precursor didn't leave any artifact behind except humanity, seeing as how we look simple this would protect us from Aliens like the Covenant in our early days, but the thing that the the Precursor did to us that only they could do, was make our brains with more potential then theirs, and our anatomy the most complicated and longest lasting ever heard of. That came out of the blue.

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  • Whoa, hijacked thread much? This is wonderful and everything, but it doesn't really relate to the main topic.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gdude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 However, I've given this a great deal of thought and I find it pretty damn likely. The Precursors had the ability to create worlds and accelerate the evolution of life. * I find it very likely that the Precursors would want a final legacy of themselves by creating their own race that hasn't been subject to the acceleration of their own evolution if they were indeed in the position of fading away. [/quote] "[i]Child[/i] of my enemy why have you come I offer no forgiveness a fathers [i]sins[/i] passed to his [i]son[/i]" Noticed what I italicised, this is evidence to what AJ said, the sin being creating life and playing god, and humanity being the "child" of the precursors.[/quote] Exactly. The gravemind seems to be pissed of at the forerunner for this very reason (other than the fact there tasty). He tells MB that they are arrogant and where stopping nature and a whole bunch of that. The precursors in there infinite wisdom would become arrogant and believe to be all powerful. Playing god. This was there sin. Wow that gave me an idea. If that was there sin. And snaky is correct (at least for the most part) and the precursor did create the flood. Well think of it this way. Someone who is mentally unstable usually has a child hood experience. The flood can be seen as an unnatural monster. Created by those who believed themselves to be gods. Is it possible that the gravemind new he himself was beast that could never belong in this universe? Coexist with all other life? Could this have been there sin? The creation of flood, himself? In rampancy he knew he could never "fit in". The precursor brought him into a tortures existence. For this he punished them, seeking revenge. His rampancy grew further, in his need to feel like he belonged he sought to consume all life that was not himself. Create an entire universe comprised of himself. Like a frightened child he would begin constructing lies to-justify what he has done, to create a reason for his existence, to try and absolve himself of his sins. And he would begin to believe his own lies. "The next stage of evolution" If this is correct, it brings a whole new light onto the flood. No longer an all consuming thing. But more of a frankenstein if you will. Cursed by his own existence, never being able to truly be apart of this world. [/quote] Perhaps. I doubt the Gravemind chose it's own existance as he questions -in halo 3- if he should take life or give it. He wonders who the victim is and who the real foe is.[/quote] Thats a brilliant observation. I always thought he was asking the chief that. But what if he was at the same time talking to himself. Did he take life or give it as he believed for so long. He slowly brainwashed himself to make it feel like he was dong the right thing. But in fact he is the victim. This conclusion just gave me a huge idea of a future halo plot (please read halo 4, in plain sight). What if the chief needs to discover the origin of the flood? Understand how and why it was created. He would then along with cortana understand that the gravemind is actually in [i] pain[/i]. Something to be pitied rather than feared. Then the master chief in a moment of self sacrifice does what no one would expect. He powers down his shield and lets himself become one with the gravemind. His thoughts would become one with him, and an emotion that has longed laid dormant inside the Gravemind awakens. For untold millennia he had ben crazed with anger and pain. But now with the master chiefs sacrifice, he absorbed his thoughts and realized what he has done. He was brought into an unnatural existence. But now he understood that he was the [i] victim [/i]. That he masked his own sorrow with retribution and revenge, In an act to prove himself... to whom? He punished a sin with a sin, but all he had done was cause more pain, more death. He now finally understands he will never belong, not in this universe or an other. And the outer arms of the flood seemingly stop. Losing the will to grow and consume. It withers and dies as if by a plague. It all collapses and what few parts of the gravemind remain escapes this galaxy via ship. Cursed to journey the vast reaches of space for what he can never have.... OK, I might have gotten a little ahead of myself there. I always think there is a deep meaning in something. But In the 5 seconds i pulled that out of my head I thought it would be a fitting end. [/quote] I think we've found our Halo 4 crew. That's a brilliant idea and it would be more of a story of conflict than anything else. As the key to stopping your enemy is to understand your enemy. One thing I will say, though, is that it's a very "Star Wars"-y style of end. [Edited on 08.30.2009 10:36 AM PDT]

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