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Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

All throughout the Halo trilogy, we have been led to believe there is a connection between the Forerunners and Humanity. For example, Halo can only be fired by a human, 343 Guilty Spark recognises humanity as "Reclaimers," naming the Covenant as 'Meddlers.' The terminals also imply a deep connection. Now, many have speculated that Forerunners are humans, yet more advanced. Some believe that Forerunners adopted us as their heirs. There are a fair few crazy theories out there, most, if not all, basically stating that humans are in some way descended from Forerunners. Now I approach you with a different outlook. What if humanity were not descended from the Forerunners, but what if they were, in fact, the fabled Precursors' last legacy? First, I'll dismiss the argument that 343 Guilty Spark says "You are Forerunner," to John-117 by saying this - Spark has always been confused, in Combat Evolved, he believed you were the Forerunner who activated Halo the first time around. In the Bestarium, it makes mention that all of Spark's observations are 'Under Investigation', whereas Tangent's (Monitor of Installation 05) observations are all confirmed. Now I know what you're thinking: "Wolverfrog, you nutter! They can't be precursors, that's impossible!" But is it really? Let's start by taking a look at what the word 'Reclaimer' really means. To recover, to reclaim what was once yours. Now I don't see why the Forerunners would attribute humanity with such a term, it wouldn't make sense if humans are supposed to be the adopted race of the Forerunners. However, assuming hypothetically that humanity are in fact the last remnant of the Precursors, it would make sense. A safe thing to assume would be that Forerunner technology is based off Precursor technology, much in the same way that the Covenant base their technology off the Forerunners. Now if that is the case, then it would make sense that the Forerunners would name the humans 'Reclaimer', to inherit, and regain all that they lost. In the terminals, the Librarian, love of the Didact, refers to Earth as Eden, and a place of wonder. Iris, the Halo 3 ARG, also has a little to say on this. [quote][i]The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line. The secrets it holds must be preserved, plans within plans within plans. [b]The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched. They may hold answers to our own mysteries[/b]. What irony that we discovered this treasure, only at the end of things. But what fortune that we still had time to save them. The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives, but perhaps one day it will be used for its intended purpose. If the plan succeeds, and they are saved, it will be a good world. If the plan fails, and the adversary succeeds, it will remain an enigma forever with no one left to reclaim it. [/i][/quote] Now you see, it is talking about Earth, and the 'unique denizens' are humanity. It leaves you with the questions, why must we be researched? What answers can we give to the Forerunners? Surely simply being chosen by the Forerunners to carry on their work in the event that they perish does not grant us this amount of awe? I believe that Earth is a Precursor world, perhaps their home world. At the very height of their power, the precursors were the dominant force throughout the universe. However, due to unknown reasons, they vanished, passing down a mantle to their chosen race to continue their legacy: the Forerunners. However, what if the Precursors had [i]not[/i] been wiped out, but in fact, merely faded away, realising that omniscience was a terrible burden. A likely scenario is that the Precursors encountered the Flood, which would make the Flood much like the Reapers in Mass Effect; they wipe out cultures once they are advanced enough. The Flood could have forced the Precursors back into hiding, where they lost all their technology. Eventually, perhaps only one world, Earth, remained, and so eventually the Precursors had lost all of their knowledge and power, and became what we know today as humanity. I know you think a species 'devolving' seems unlikely, but I will direct you here to the case of the Brutes. At one point in their history, they were as advanced as the Covenant, until a civil war threw them back into the industrial age. Something similar of this sort could have happened to the Precursors. In the sixth terminal, the Librarian states this to the Didact. [quote]We knew this was a special place because of them, but unless you've been here, you can't know. [/quote] Now that seems to be good proof. She is calling Earth a special place because of [i]them[/i]. Just who are 'them?' Humanity springs to mind, but what if she was talking about the Precursors? It's a long shot, but it's an option, one that I believe. I've probably missed out a lot, I shall scourer the terminals again and make necessary edits. Thanks for reading, please voice your opinion. [quote][/quote] [b]Update 1.2[/b] (I had this all neatly typed up, but it got deleted by a posting error. So forgive me if some of this update doesn't make sense, it's late at night and I'm kind of tired.) Reach is situated within the Epsilon Eridani system, a mere 10.5 lightyears from the Sol System, and it's closest neighbouring system. Now, let's go with the idea that Earth was in fact, the Precursor homeworld. Once they had achieved space exploration level, it's likely the first system they would have discovered is the Epsilon Eridani system. The Precursors would have also discovered Reach, and probably inhabited it. Now let's jump to First Strike. Halsey and the Spartans discover a network of what they believe to be 'Forerunner caverns' underneath the ONI CASTLE facility. Inside these ruins, they discover a crystal, which can bend space and time. It seems awfully advanced, even for the Forerunners. Now, what if the Forerunners hadn't built the caverns and crystal, but the Precursors had? I'm not just thinking up random ideas as I go along though. What I find unlikely is that the Forerunners would have discovered Reach, but a few light years away from Earth, and have the time to construct caverns and house a ridiculously advanced crystal within, yet not discover Earth and humanity until a short time before activating Halo. Why would they waste time constructing such a complex when they were faced with extinction? My opinion is that the Precursors built it. Which is why, when Fred 104 touches the glyphs on the complex, he gets a 'Frustratingly familiar' feeling, as if he's seen them before. Genetic instincts perhaps, from humanity's Precursor ancestors? Simply becoming Reclaimers of the Forerunners wouldn't give humanity instinctive knowledge of how their technology works. And if the Forerunners based all their technology off of the Precursors relics they had discovered, it would explain why the Master Chief sub conciously could activate the various devices upon Halo. And, running along with this idea that Reach had been colonised by the Precursors, what if every UNSC Colony world which had mysterious 'Forerunner artefacts' were in fact, also Precursor? Perhaps humanity was merely following in their Precursors ancestors ancient footsteps, as they themselves first ventured into the Galactic beyond. [b]Update 2.0[/b] Oh Lord, this is all too perfect. The first Halo Legends episode, [i]The Babysitter[/i] was released, and it speaks volumes for this theory. The ODSTs have a mission alongside a Spartan to assassinate a Prophet at some unknown alien ruins. Cortez, the ODST squad leader, at some point in the mission briefing says: [quote]"The architecture is not Covenant design and it sure as hell wasn't built by humans. It pre-dates both sides."[/quote] As I was watching this I nodded along and thought, 'Forerunner'. That's what it pointed to right? Perhaps not. Later on when we actually see these ruins, they sure look confusing. It actually looks more like human ancient Japanese design than Forerunner. Naturally, everyone is complaining about it, saying it isn't Forerunner. And perhaps it isn't. Perhaps it is Precursor. Now let's say, back in the day, the Precursors built some structures like that, with that design. They colonise the planet their human descendants (Remember the greater theory) walk upon hundreds of thousands of years later. And they build these ruins. Now what if, in the Haloverse, Japanese building designs were inspired by ancient Precursor blueprints that the ancient Japanese discovered? What if those ruins on the planet in [i]The Babysitter[/i] are in fact meant to look like they do? Not Forerunner ruins, but Precursor. Also, the statues inside the ruins show what seem to be animals usually found on Earth. And who do we theorise do originate from Earth? That's right, the Precursors. If the Forerunners had built the ruins, then surely they would have images of their Gods, not animals. [b]In other words: [/b] - Precursors colonise planet, build ruins we see in [i]The Babysitter.[/i] - Precursors then become humanity after catastrophic event. - Halo is fired by Forerunners. - Precursor remnants (humans) repopulate Earth. - Ancient Japanese discover incredibly old Precursor building blueprints, design their buildings in the same way. - ODST squad and Spartan in [i]The Babysitter[/i] discover these ancient ruins, Halo fans cry out "But they're not Forerunner!" - Because they aren't. They're Precursor. [b]Last minute input: [/b][url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18391672&postcount=243]Oh my God, Frankie just practically confirmed this section of the theory![/url] [Edited on 11.07.2009 3:54 PM PST]

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  • I doubt bungie has even decided how to link all this together.I think they purposely leave it all blank so they can leave theories like this or come back and use one of these theories later saying they planned it.

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  • That against the rules I believe. And completely unnecessary as well as off topic.

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  • THEN MAKE HIM RIDE A NARWAL swimming in the ocean causing a commotion. [Edited on 08.30.2009 4:22 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gdude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery. [/quote] Go ahead, make a fan fiction set after Halo 3. What you're suggesting isn't really a theory as such XD[/quote] Make a fan fic where Master Chief rides a horsey, my life shall then be complete.[/quote] Yeah im getting ahead of myself. o and BLASPHEMY!!!! Making that story line into a fan fic wouldn't do it justice. It deserves BETTER!

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery. [/quote] Go ahead, make a fan fiction set after Halo 3. What you're suggesting isn't really a theory as such XD[/quote] Make a fan fic where Master Chief rides a horsey, my life shall then be complete.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery. [/quote] Go ahead, make a fan fiction set after Halo 3. What you're suggesting isn't really a theory as such XD

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  • Ok, sorry for going off topic now again. Instead of the master chief being consumed and the Grave mind wondering off somewhere. What if Master Chief began being one with the grave mind and after the outer parts of the flood started dying Cortana blows a fusion engine destroying her, Chief, and putting the beast out of its misery.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I said in the original post that the Precursors passed the mantle down before becoming humanity, and then as the Forerunners were about to perish, they handed it back.[/quote] Sorry for wasting your time with the previous post, I'm not thinking right for some reason, it seems my minds just like a blank landscape.

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  • I said in the original post that the Precursors passed the mantle down before becoming humanity, and then as the Forerunners were about to perish, they handed it back.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gdude I'm reading the Precursor page on Halopedia right now and it says the Precursors may have viewed the Forerunners as there own legacy, so this puts a hole in your theory, but I'm sure we can explain it...I will try right now. [/quote] I'll explain it: Halopedia speculates. Too much. It's never been said that the Precursors view the Forerunners as their legacy, Halopedia just assumes so.[/quote] Well if they did indeed pass the Mantle down to the Forerunners, then it is possible that they did view them with some sort of high regard

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gdude I'm reading the Precursor page on Halopedia right now and it says the Precursors may have viewed the Forerunners as there own legacy, so this puts a hole in your theory, but I'm sure we can explain it...I will try right now. [/quote] I'll explain it: Halopedia speculates. Too much. It's never been said that the Precursors view the Forerunners as their legacy, Halopedia just assumes so.

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  • I'm reading the Precursor page on Halopedia right now and it says the Precursors may have viewed the Forerunners as there own legacy, so this puts a hole in your theory, but I'm sure we can explain it...I will try right now. This could mean that they handed the Mantle down to the Forerunners, probaly a species they viewed with loads of technical potential, to protect Humanity, there true legacy, and if the Forerunners truly did know about the Precursors and had legends and stuff about them they would have done that in a heartbeat, this could be why they deemed humanity as special, becuase the Precursors asked them to. I'm running out of creative juice in my head so I better stop.

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  • I just realized something, we don't know how old the Precursor are, so is it possible that they created every species we know now, or planned them to evolve into what we know now?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Well the first one would be..... Forerunners would probably recognise Precursors if they encountered them. We also don't know what constitutes a Precursor or even a Forerunner, we just don't know enough, they could be individual species like Humans or could be a group of advanced races like the Covenant. And as far as we've seen there are no Precursor artifacts on Earth, so far anyway.[/quote] Well there would be Precursor artifacts on Earth, but we'd think them to be human artifacts. And the whole point of this theory is that the Forerunners [i]did[/i] recognise the humans to be Precursors, hence their importance. As for the idea that they could be a group of conjoined races, I'm not sure about that.

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  • Well the first one would be..... Forerunners would probably recognise Precursors if they encountered them. We also don't know what constitutes a Precursor or even a Forerunner, we just don't know enough, they could be individual species like Humans or could be a group of advanced races like the Covenant. And as far as we've seen there are no Precursor artifacts on Earth, so far anyway.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Really nice theory. I personally don't think its true, but it would be awesome if proven true.[/quote] Do you have a theory on this? I'm not shooting you down, just wondering. I like hearing different but sensible theories.

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  • Really nice theory. I personally don't think its true, but it would be awesome if proven true.

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  • I saved this thread :D

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Agustus Arn't you happy how much descussion this created Wolverfrog? Hopefully this thread knocks out Arete Seven= Bungies real name? [/quote] It won't, the hot topics list relies on saved threads, not posts. I'm content with my hot topics in the Gallery forum for now, although one in the Universe would be nice. Hot topics list thread =/= Bungie.net Oscar

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Goalie Master 8 This is an interesting theory.[/quote] Ah, the man of few words. indeed. * [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Greek_Mythology_References_in_Halo]I'd like to direct you all to the Greek Myhtology references in halo. Quite a list...[/url] [Edited on 08.30.2009 11:57 AM PDT]

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  • This is an interesting theory.

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  • Yeah. It goes to show how not many people actually think about the story anymore... Or it could be TBJB dismissing each and every theory there.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 I'd say you should put this on CI but it's hardly active anymore...[/quote] IK, its got 3000 members but no one post anything. Kind of a shame really.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.[/quote] Percy Jackson FTW. But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.[/quote] True, true.[/quote] Ik, I read all of those books. There where only a few parts that where kind of off. And yes I will accept your request next time I get online. Arn't you happy how much descussion this created Wolverfrog? Hopefully this thread knocks out Arete Seven= Bungies real name?

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  • I'd say you should put this on CI but it's hardly active anymore...

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Now we're onto Greek Mythology. Brilliant.[/quote] Percy Jackson FTW. But Bungie is influenced by many different aspects of Mythology and Religion.[/quote] True, true.

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