[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Alf stewert [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] haloplayer2kill [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrnDragn I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry! And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote] The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved. What are you talking about?[/quote] Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit. To GrnDragn: I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe. And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit [i]their[/i] story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse. Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the [b][i]only[/i][/b] book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.[/quote] How can you say TFOR was the ONLY book affected? When Master Chief returned to Reach in First Strike, he met the surviving spartan 2's of that battle. The battle was heavily mentioned in that book. The survival of those spartans, and where they were, all happened because of many events in TFOR, that now seem to be non-canon. Some of these spartan 2's also show up in GoO. Its the butterfly effect. It's like bungie went back in time in the haloverse and changed events, you can't just expect those events to change and not anything else. Those changed events will affect a new changed future. In this new future Hasley may never even go to Onyx, for there were many events that built up to that moment, ones built on each other. Certain events she participated in the book TFOR, seem to have become non-canon. Originally those events affect her events in First Strike and GoO (originally Hasley knew nothing about the spartan 3's during the fall of reach). Also in the new timeline a spartan 3 has survived, named jun. So think how this will affect the new future with Hasley's early knowledge of the Spartan 3 project as well as another spartan. By having the battle of reach for more then 1 day is a HUGE problem, including the PoA being on Reach. Think of Halo canon has a building under construction. Level's are built on previous levels, each affecting each other. Bungie has removed some of the original levels to that building. [/quote] bunge only redid repolished and Connected levels to fit it's been said a many times how it all fits and now people are just being to nitpicky[/quote] It still doesn't fit the original Canon! Honestly, are you so blinded by Bungie that you can't see that? In the first 5 minutes of the game, the Canon was bent to all-hell. As the game progressed, it became worse and worse![/quote]It does fit Why? cause it is a DIFFERENT perspective of a Story such as pulp ficiton had different perspective with different view holes, we see a different story a different light on a situation and we go crazy cause we dont think it fits, if you Guys would stop being A holes towards nitpicking everything you would see reach is a side story a behind the scenes of the start of the downfall of reach. again you guys whine and winge about it BUT!! it's been explained you saying it hasnt is wrong the journal clears it up, But "no impossible" *Sign* Ill say it and continue to say it Reach is a side story to the book Oh and saying it needs to clear up when it has is stupid so stop saying it needs to be cleared up IT HAS!![/quote] I can see you're a Fanboy, so this will never end. But will say it doesn't fit. The Covenant Fleet arrived on August 30. There was no advanced scout party that fought them for a month. The Covenant came in, wrecked the UNSC, but they too sustained heavy casualties, and won. All in one day. To be a "side story" to the book, it has to work with the established canon of the book. It doesn't. The book says the Battle of Reach lated for a day, the game says one month. The Game says that the POA landed on Reach, the book says that not only was it not on the ground, it couldn't go in atmosphere! Your "side story" theory has been debunked.