If you call No knight strategy a cheese then will you also accept bubble strategy on crota hard a cheese? Now you may say that you don't need bubble and all other things, I don't either NOW. But when you were under level, I am talking about then. Did you use bubble strategy then? Also whoever is calling this a cheese, if you are not a game developer - Please keep your opinion to yourself. You have no right to call out on others, calling them cheesers and other crap. You did it by killing Knights, it's good, you took an easy way of not worrying about timing. ;) and your relic bearer didn't have to worry about the ogres.