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Edited by ScottBoys3: 8/20/2015 2:52:49 PM
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If you plan on getting Taken King watch this video

My mind is unchanged and I'm getting TTK day one

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The video makes excellent points, so I'm waiting

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As a state of principal I refuse to purchase TTK

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Please watch the video BEFORE voting. Thank you. Watch this person's Destiny videos all the way to the end. Please. If you plan on giving Destiny more money, than you owe it to yourself, and all the other Guardians to watch this video through to the end, and give it some real thought. Thank you. [b]UPDATE[/b] So the poll is going pretty much the way I figured, but I am pleasantly surprised by all of the people that voted to wait or boycott. I really appreciate your support. That's 129 people who have decided to wait before giving Bungie any more money. That's $5,160. Granted that isn't a huge amount compared to the massive millions Bungie will earn, but I hope and pray that it does show them that some of us do care. We love Bungie, but we want some respect. That only comes to those who earn it. If you roll over, then you will always be stepped on. Stand with me, if they want to step on us, then they have to knock us down first. [b]EDIT #2[/b] Everyone seems to think that my point of sharing this is that I'm pissed that Destiny costs so much. That is definitely NOT the case. Money and cost and worth are entirely relative. $40 may seem like a tad bit too much for me, but to others that make four times my wage, $40 is nothing. A little kid however may only have $40, and to him that is everything. Money is a completely relative thing, and so that is not the reason for this thread. My reasoning is very simple. We are being disrespected. That's it. Ever since Destiny has released we have been treated more and more unfairly. Some people think that we were charged $120 to either play a beta version, or we should have paid $60 for ALL of the content up to this point. Even if you disagree with that statement, everyone knows that those people should never feel that way. Bungie's job as game developers is to dream up a game and then make and deliver the very best damn game we have EVER played. That didn't happen. At all. Destiny could have been the game to end all games. It had, and still has the massive potential to be the best game literally ever made, but they ruined that because they took us all for granted. Is Destiny fun? Yes, absolutely. I love Destiny. I love Bungie, but enough is enough. It is intervention time. Just like when a loved one falls off the deep end, Bungie took a freaking swan dive. They have mislead, and oversold, and misdirected, and disrespected, and even insulted us in interviews. That's completely uncalled for. I understand they need to make money, I do. My family owns a business and we struggle every week to make sure everything is paid, I know that Bungie employees need to make money, I know they have families to take care of, BUT the way they are going about this is all wrong. Bungie is an entertainment company. Their goal SHOULD be to make the best dad gum form of entertainment ever. It isn't. Their goal seems to be to snooker us out of all the money they can before we become pissed and leave. Friends, that is a horrendous goal. You may be one of the people that Bungie could never run off, and I admire your loyalty. I do. But think about it this way. You may never be ran off, but others will. I promise you that. More and more and more people will leave this game and this community, and then only you will be left. Paying way more than Bungie should have allowed. We are all Guardians, and we are ALL gamers. We are in this together. Whether you agree or disagree with me, know that others take your opposite opinion, and that still affects you. This should be a tight knit community and we should all be friends together. Let Bungie know that we love them and have huge respect for them, and for that reason we cannot allow them to throw their name away any longer. Stand with me FOR Bungie. Let them know that we love them no matter what their mistakes, they are only people after all, but if they keep screwing up, we the people have a right to kick their butt, straighten them out, and have them make it right. That is all. Have a good day my friends.

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  • Edited by TheCount81: 9/10/2015 10:57:11 AM
    In PC market games that fail to deliver fail and have to undergo massive changes to bring in the players. Of the top of my head: war hammer online (failed and canceled), age of Conan (failed), SWOTR (failed even with all the hype), Planetside 2 (think it failed to hit the targets and got dumped by SOE), Final Fantasy Online (rework). Nebula Rasa (NCsoft canceled after failing). PC Gamers got a bigger choice of course, they vote with their wallet. Is it that Console community has so little choice we can not make a difference? PS "edit" if anyone got more examples please feel free to add to the list.

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  • Edited by All Skulls On: 8/24/2015 7:51:20 PM
    Dobbins... he always has a chip on his shoulder about every game. If you watch through his library then you'll notice his MO of creating clickbait vids that attempt to disclose intentional business malpractices by applying marketing concepts and "exposing" the developers for what they always are in his mind -- evil corporations hell bent on squeezing money out of you. Honestly, watch as many vids of his as you can handle, the broken record gets old real fast. Now I'm not saying that the marketing principles he's applying are false; he's right on the money, so to speak. It's just that through his eyes it's all so malicious and illuminati-like when in fact these principles are a fact of everyday life and are common practices employed by every facet of business. He really feels, or does a great job of pretending he does, that it's all a never ending plot to attack and exploit gamers. He's really got some emotional issues lol So before you let this video convince you to do anything, just keep in mind that there isn't a single positive vid in his collection and that they all send the exact same message every single time -- there is a huge scheme to trick you out of your money and <insert game developer here> is your worst enemy, so don't buy <insert most current game here> on matter of principle in order to save "the master race of gamers". Yes he actually says nonsensical stuff like that. There is some food for thought in there but don't just blindly follow the piper, kids.

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    • Edited by KrazyM82: 8/24/2015 5:38:35 PM
      It's a very well put together video. I think the true problem is that there are A LOT of 12-18 year old fanboys and kool-aid drinkers out there that don't care about wasting their parents money for beta games and dlcs. All the more reason for TRUE Gamers that care about the product they buy to step up and voice their concerns! I think the best way to do that is to simply... [b][i]BOYCOTT BUNGIE AND ACTIVISION[/i][/b] The business model that bungie has adapted is (I believe) why their lead designer of 15 years, Joe Staten, quit bungies sorry asses. I simply refuse to support a producer and publisher that is willing to make money off of my disappointment and grief, so willingly. I refuse to do bungies job and PAY THEM to do it! Simply dishonest, shady, amoral, deplorable and disgusting on bungie and activision's part!

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      • Destiny year one was not the beta ... it was the alpha. Year two will be the beta. Year three it will probably be set. Fanboys are buying, but new folks really are not. Will be interesting to see what the sales results are. I have not pre-ordered and will wait to see how the reviews are from reviewers and fans before I decide to buy.

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        • Hmm how did I know that it was going to be a dobbins video That guy is just a douche he never says anything positive and plays up the negative just to get people like you to watch his videos. He has found out that by being so dam negative he gets so many people watching which is so very sad

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          • Yes, Bungie is an entertainment COMPANY. Which means that they are BUSINESS. One that needs to generate a PROFIT in order to survive. So their goal needs to be "To make the BEST product possible...that is still PROFITABLE.' ...and that' the heart of the problem here. You have too many gamers that are young and don't "get" the difference between the PERSONAL value of a certain sum of money...and the MARKET VALUE or PURCHASING POWER that is represented by that sum of money. Personal value----as you noted----is personal and varies from person to person. MARKET VALUE or the purchasing power of a given sum of money DOES NOT change from person to person. It may vary OVER TIME....but not from one person to another. So the bottom line, is that while $40 may have a great deal of PERSONAL value to many gamers, that does NOT increase that sum of money's actual purchasing power. The other issue is that Destiny is NOT a shooter. It is NOT a game that is the sort of sequelized experience that most console gamers are used to. Where you only shell out $60 for the core game once year or once every two years....and then any other DLC is OPTIONAL, and can be skipped if you dont' want spend the money. Destiny (whether Bungie wants to call it one or not) IS AN MMO...and is expanding in a TYPICAL MMO fashion. These kinds of games are expensive and very labor intensive to make and maintain...which means that WE have to pay the costs. Now you can either: 1. Pay for whatever you play, as you go. Bungie chose this route because this seems to be the lest offensive to console gamers. 2. Pay a monthy sub fee (like World of Warcraft) 3. Have to deal with someone constantly in your face wanting money for microtransactions. (Which is how Warframe and DC Universe Onlie and Marvel Heroes pay their bills). Bungie isn't totally free from fault here. Their communication style is ILL-SUITED to this kind of game, and Bungie (due to inexperience and misjudging the audience the game would attract)has made some game design mistakes. But what you are talking about is simply people getting outraged about something that is DIFFERENT than what they are used to...and because it is different, jumping to the conclusion that someone is tyring to screw them overl

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            • As soon as I heard BDobbins I knew it'll be another 'let's hate on Destiny' video. I mean really do we have to subjected to this nonsense daily.

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              • I didn't even click the link but if it's batmandobbins I'm already done with it. Dude actually has no clue.

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                • Thorn, shotgun, blink and a warlock. Lost all respect for the guy in the video. A few good points but still pre ordering TTK. I have never put this much time in a video game so it is definitely worth the money and I will continue to support Bungie for making a great product.

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                  • Tldr. So don't buy it. I don't need to watch some random butt hurt on YouTube to tell me what I should like or play or spend my money on. It's $40. I like the game. I want more. I pre ordered TTK and can't wait. Go play one of the myriad of new games coming out and get off the forums if you hate Destiny and Bungie so much. I'm sure that $60 will be money well spent for you.

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                    • It really takes the wind out of your sails to know those exotics you have spent so much time grinding for in The raid The nightfalls The end game content [i]And that you have spent countless hours leveling up and putting weapon parts and materials into [/i] [b]Will not be able to be upgraded to higher damage values or defense ratings. [/b] Or [b]IF [/b]it is an exotic that will be [u]"allowed by Bungie" [/u]to be upgraded to year two stats you have to RE-BUY it for 150 marks and RE-UPGRADE it !!! After the last time when Bungie forced that and it failed and they told players it was a mistake and they would never force them to do that again !!! Here's Bungie's quote from LAST TIME they forced exotic upgrades on players during The Dark Below : [quote][b]Bungie Weekly Update - 12/04/2014[/b] by DeeJ “The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete. Since the reveal, we’ve read a lot of ideas for how this could have been done better. Your feedback is clear:[u][i] [b]The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected.”[/b] [/i][/u] Looks like we have been played! #saveourexotics [/quote]

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                    • The video was good and alot of valid points but... I still preordered. Still playing on day one. Why? Because I have never put a 1000 hours into a game before... never. I still plan on bitching maybe a little more loudly.

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                      • Very good points in that video...

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                        • This is pretty much how I felt about the game since I got the expansions . This was actually my replacement for Halo MCC. I felt 343 tried the same thing and delivered incomplete content. Which is weird because the games were already made all the had to do was re port them. When I got the expansions is when I realized we had gotten a beta test from Bungie as well. I feel like the gaming industry is taking a bad path with these business models. Unfortunately a lot a people are falling for it.

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                          • Edited by gallp13: 8/24/2015 12:12:53 PM
                            Ummmmm that worked ;)

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                          • Someone tell the douchebag in that video PTFO!!!!

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                          • I'm getting TTK anyway

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                          • I doesn't -blam!-ing matter about old exotics, year one is over, let new shit come in and take the glory and to the people who are pissed about old shit not moving foreward, quit your cry baby bitching cause it's never going to happen

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                          • Bump #saveourexotics bungie gives no effs about us!

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                          • So im not mad overall i am disappointed in a few things and changes. 1.) Price is a little steep for dlc and where new people get all the content 1/2 the price. 2.) I am more disappointed that year 2 people get the item to level up to 25 day one when others had to grind all that time. 3.) I feel year one rewards should be more unique than a shader, emblem, and sparrow.

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                          • Just a ton of horse crap, I play for ... fun

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                          • Judging from the poll results there seem to be more than a few sheeple that don't mind being led around the hamster wheel by the nose.

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                            • [quote][quote][quote][b]Bungie Weekly Update - 12/04/2014[/b] by DeeJ “The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete. Since the reveal, we’ve read a lot of ideas for how this could have been done better. Your feedback is clear:[u][i] [b]The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected.”[/b] [/i][/u][/quote][/quote][/quote] #SaveOurExotics

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                            • Was anyone else shocked that they said in the stream 'we wanted pvp players to have a chance at [excellent] rewards'? Umm iron banner was the only way many pve people got to 32 and 34. Trials has the real end game gear in HoW They already have that...

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                              • If you had fun with the first year of destiny, who cares if it was a beta test?

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                                • Wow to all the peeps that are saying this guy in the video is not stating facts ! Not one of you have proven his facts are not true ! What he is saying is actual business principals used by most companies ! I have to laugh at all you bungie fans who can not see you got ripped off ! Yes destiny is okay yes we spent hours playing ! But you paid full price for a bata ! Which should cost half the price ! As in bata most are free ! So if you can not see you paid bungie to bata test there game where they should have paid testers then fool. You ! Bungie wins matter what ! They guy brings up the most valued point ! Make bungie listen to what we want ! Stop ripping us off ! But as long as there bungie fans supporting them they will continue to abuse us ! Stand up ! Make bungie do what we want not what they want ! We are the consumers and bungie need to cater to what we want !!!

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