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Edited by mojoo j0j0: 7/17/2015 3:35:12 AM
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Partycrasher+1> matador64> felwinterslie.

Based on your experience, which shotgun do u feel is the best in the game. Why? And with what perks. Personally I think the party crasher is the best shotgun. It has the imapact and range capabilities as the matador and felwinters but with a better rate of fire and stability. At first, I use to use zero stability with low rate of fire and always favoring shot package when I ran felwinters. This set up is considered a high risk high reward, but it's really more of a high risk OK reward. Shot package a perk favored by most, I personally think is overrated. Yes bunching up your projectiles increases range, but it also makes it easier to miss. A shotgun is a shotgun because of its spread. Honestly at close range you don't want to rely on aiming in order to kill. Since shotpackage requires ADS it kind of defeats the purpose of the shotgun. Yes more of your bullets hits the target, but that's only if u don't miss. If u r using your shotgun in a defensive situation, ADS may take too much time. It does has its benefits but I feel u can get much more from other perks like rangerfinder. The matador and felwinters are both great shotguns. The old felwinters lie is superior to the new one and the matador, simply because u can get Hammar forged. The downside to these shotguns is the low rate of fire. Due to lag, players using blink ,or having to clear a room, having a high rate fire is extremly beneficial. Its worth sacrificing a smidge of range or impact for it. This is where the party crasher comes in. Since it has the range and impact capabilities of both its' rivals, the RoF seperates it from them. It also has a lot more stability to work with. Stability is often underminded when it comes to shotties. Granted it is the least important perk, but it does matter. Especially when killing multiple targets is a goal. For example zone B in anamoly, asylum both entry points to zone B. A lot of ppl clutter in these rooms in attempt to capture or protect zone B. You may say "why not the found verdict?" , and I agree why not the found verdict? It is a high contender amongst the high powered shotguns. It is a beast in PvE. What puts it in last place in the race IMO, is that it is a raid weapon. You don't have the ability to reforge it. Edit: yes rangefinder requires ADS, but my point was really about keeping your spread and still be able to increase range. My problem with shot package is not so much ADS, it's reducing the spread which makes it easier to miss. Shot package is an awesome perk and I do use it, I'm just offering a different but efficient way to use your shotty than the standard surberb range single shot method most use.

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  • Felwinters hits at 25. Matador at 24. Party crasher at 23. It makes a pretty big difference at a distance. Felwinters will always be king. Hammer forged is a better all around perk imo as well. Rangefinder poos on shot package because the spread is not that significant, the decrease in damage drop off is huge, and you only need 8 pellets with felwinters and 9 with the other two two get a ohk so shot package is pointless.

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    • TDB Felweinter's>Matador 64>Party Crasher

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    • TDB Felwinters > Party Crasher > Matador > HoW Felwinters

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      • [quote]Since shotpackage requires ADS it kind of defeats the purpose of the shotgun. Yes more of your bullets hits the target, but that's only if u don't miss. If u r using your shotgun in a defensive situation, ADS may take too much time.[/quote] [quote]It does has its benefits but I feel u can get much more from other perks like rangerfinder. [/quote] - Shot Package is bad because it requires ADS. - Recommend Range Finder instead OP, I have some bad news for you..... [spoiler]Range Finder also requires ADS.[/spoiler]

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        • Original felwinters lie is still the best

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          • Edited by cclloyd: 7/17/2015 1:23:02 AM
            You don't need to reforge Verdict cause it already had great perks.

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            • I have the og Felwinters w range finder, I have multiple party crashes, matadors, judgments etc. I think they're all pretty damn good and easy to get em to range cap. That being said, Felwinters still hits further than the rest. It's ROF is brutally bad. I've been running matador a lot. Btw judgment, party crasher and matador, it's a toss up. Felwinters also seems like it has a firing glitch. Where it doesn't shoot, like it jams. This doesn't happen w the others. Whatever ya got, it comes down to how many motes of light on re-rolls to get the good stuff.

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              • I prefer running Universal remote it can out range any shot gun i have got into a battle with down side is well u aren't so hot against other primary's but if u can get in close you can 1 shot them :D plus i like the whole feel of it also

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                • Two in the morgue all day baby. Check mine out on my lock, when I lose a shotgun fight it's always my fault, not the gun. :)

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                  • My party crasher roll is better than my matador so I stick with that. LOVE my found verdict in pve though. Soooo much stopping power with full auto.

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                  • Didn't read your bullshit but this is correct for PvE. For PvP it's backwards.

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                  • Judgement VI > every shotgun

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                    • Hammer forged doesn't give more range then the range barrels it got replaced with. There is a range cap that is easily hit.

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                      • Edited by GeneralPoe: 7/16/2015 8:35:37 PM
                        Matador 64 for PVP because more impact means one shot kill majority of the time. Yes I'm looking at you Warlock Ram heads. The rate of fire is too slow for anything other than PVP. My roll on the Matador is almost perfect, I just wish I had luck in the chamber rather than Rodeo. I'm hoping for another Matador to drop so I can perfect that one. In PVE I use Found Verdict, can't go wrong with the range (Max) and auto fire.

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                        • Edited by GUARD1ANG3L: 7/16/2015 9:40:22 PM
                          Vanilla Felwinters>matador>party crasher> non vanilla Felwinters< everything else [spoiler]yes matador is better than party crasher[/spoiler] And sometimes a Two to the Morgue with a fantastic roll is in there as well

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                          • Matador. Better than the new Felwinters, Party Crasher, Secret Handshake and Raid shotties. The old vanilla Felwinters may be better if you got lucky with the right perks but only a handful of players out there would have got one.

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                          • Isn't rangefinder ads......?

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                            • OG Felwinters > Matador = Party Crasher

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                            • I rolled a party crashes with shot package, luck in the chamber, and small bore I have a matador with the same roll, just had rifled barrel instead

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                              • Couple problems. First range finder and shotpackage require you to ADS. So a lot of the cons you describe about shot-package because you have to ADS also go for rangefinder. Also the spread isn't what makes a shotgun. Being able to one shit someone from 6 feet away is what makes it a shotgun. Shotpackage is a preference thing but I would much rather be able to kill someone from farther away with more precision than to be able to have some le ways if I mess up. All that being said I prefer the party crasher to the other two mainly for the good range and a better rate of fire.

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                                • Dam so the Judgement not even in the same category huh?

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                                  • Its also about shells, how many bullits does a felwinters, party crasher or matador fire? Because thats the big difference that most people don't see

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                                    • My felwinters aka my sniper One shot your dead unless you're a warlock cause warlocks are gods apparently

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                                      • Edited by theepicdude4ur6x: 7/16/2015 9:11:25 PM
                                        Pve dry rot full auto and rodeo

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                                        • Edited by anthrax99: 7/16/2015 9:20:04 PM
                                          my full auto invisible hand m7. it doesnt have the highest impact, but it shoots like a scout so fast that even if i miss with the first 2 i can still put 3 more shells into you by the time you can get a 2nd shot off with another shotgun.

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                                          • Pre HoW Felwinter's is epic when it comes to ranged take downs, but I do LOVE my Battle Runner Party Crasher +1

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