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DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE - A great article about TTK and what it means to YOU. Veterans of the series.

[quote][b]When the Internet first came into public use, it was hailed as a liberation from conformity, a floating world ruled by passion, creativity, innovation and freedom of information. When it was hijacked first by advertising and then by commerce, it seemed like it had been fully co-opted and brought into line with human greed and ambition.[/b]. - [i]Neil Strauss[/i][/quote] This is a great article about the new Expansion and what it means to you, me and all of the other players who played Destiny through the beta, bought and downloaded and for some of you (not me) purchased the expansions. Take this information people. Use it to make informed decisions and demand quality for your dollar. First off here are the facts: [b][u]THE TAKEN KING – DIGITAL DOWNLOAD: $39.99[/u][/b] - http://www.destinythegame.com/taken-king/wheretobuy?bundle=collectors • Exclusive Commemorative Founders Fortune Year 1 Emblem • Sparrow • Armor Shader [b]T[u]HE TAKEN KING - LEGENDARY EDITION: $59.99[/u][/b] - http://www.destinythegame.com/taken-king/wheretobuy • Destiny • Expansion 1 – The Dark Below • Expansion 2 – The House of Wolves • The Taken King • Exclusive Commemorative Founders Fortune Year 1 Emblem • Sparrow • Armor Shader • More at launch* [i](so far undisclosed)[/i] [b][u]THE TAKEN KING – COLLECTORS EDTION (physical copy): $79.99[/u][/b] - http://www.destinythegame.com/taken-king/wheretobuy?bundle=collectors • Destiny • Expansion 1 – The Dark Below • Expansion 2- The House of Wolves • The Taken King • Collector’s Edition SteelBook™ Case • Cayde-6’s Intel o Modified Treasure Island Book with intro letter from Cayde-6 o Cayde-6’s Personal Notes and Illustrations o Collections of Relics and Artifacts o Strange Coin Replica [b]• Three Class Specific Emotes • Three Armor Shaders • Three Exotic Class items with XP Bonuses[/b] [b][u]THE TAKEN KING – DIGITAL COLLECTORS EDTION: $79.99[/u][/b] - http://www.destinythegame.com/taken-king/wheretobuy?bundle=collectors • Destiny • Expansion 1 – The Dark Below • Expansion 2- The House of Wolves • The Taken King [b]• Three Class Specific Emotes • Three Armor Shaders • Three Exotic Class items with XP Bonuses[/b] And now the article from PlanetDestiny.com [quote]New players are going to be given the chance to jump into Destiny with all three expansions, plus the base game, for $59.99. This is obviously a great deal, especially when compared to the snowballing price for those who have been assembling their Destiny experience piecemeal. [b]For anyone who purchased Destiny on Day 1, the cost up until House of Wolves has likely been upwards of $95. That number amounts to the cost of the base game, plus the Expansion Pass for Year 1. Anyone new to Destiny will get all that, plus The Taken King, for $30 less.[/b] While annoying to those who have been around for a while, this is standard industry practice for DLC-heavy games, and necessary for growing the playerbase. An entry fee of $134.99 would be prohibitively expensive for those on the fence about joining Destiny. This, all in all, is not a problem. The Physical Collector’s Edition has a host of collectable goodies, whose appeal will vary according to the value an individual places on such things, but also has – most importantly – three class-specific emotes, three armor shaders, and three exotic class items with XP bonuses. The Digital Collector’s Edition has the same rewards. Either of these can be purchased by anyone with the money, and enjoyed on the day The Taken King is released. They also include the base Destiny game, and The Dark Below and House of Wolves expansions. And all this for only $79.99. Players who have already purchased Destiny, The Dark Below, and the House of Wolves, provided they have leveled at least one character to 30, will be uniquely able to purchase the expansion as a standalone for $39.99. They will also be given a commemorative (“VIP”) Sparrow, Amor Shader, and Year 1 Emblem for their support of Destiny since its inception. [b]Is the problem clear yet? [/b] [u]There is no way to earn the Digital Collector’s bonus items for those who already own Destiny, short of buying the entire game again for $80. [/u]This means that someone who hasn’t played any Destiny can come into The Taken King with a class item that speeds their own progression, three new unattainable emotes, and three unique shaders while those who have been around since Day 1 would have to shell out the big bucks if they wanted to enjoy the same luxuries. Yes, they get the Founder’s set, which is a thoughtful gesture – but it’s an incomplete one. There is absolutely zero reason for Bungie to withhold anything from its most dedicated Destiny fans, and anything short of offering full access to the new stuff for a price that doesn’t include re-buying the game is at best a seriously disappointing miscalculation, and at worst a cynical grab at more money. Who would truly appreciate three unique shaders? [u]Who has been clamoring for more personality in the form of emotes? Who would die for the ability to speed up the grind with new XP Class items?[/u] Bungie is acting like they don’t know.[b] The answer, is Destiny’s current players, who are vocal about their desires and do not wish to pay $80 for a few digital items.[/b] It’s in the labeling, too: the “Collector’s” Edition. Destiny is, in itself, a game of collection. A lot of its players have been spending the better parts of their weeks for the past year amassing a collection of weapons, armor, sparrows, emblems, shaders, and class items to be proud of. And now, unless they have $80 to spend, their collection will be incomplete. The name is bait, and it’s frustrating to have to purposefully not rise to it. And who’s most likely willing to bite the bullet and purchase the Collector’s Edition, anyway? Is it a new player? No. Someone who is tentatively reaching out to explore a franchise they’re unfamiliar with is generally not going to commit to the most expensive version of that game. The Collector’s Edition ensnares players who already have most of it, but have got to have it all. It’s so important for a game like Destiny to be able to attract new players. They breathe new life into the community, and are instrumental in helping to sustain the growth of a massive franchise like Destiny. The Taken King and its Collector’s Edition are certainly jam-packed with enough stuff to entice them in droves. [b]Unfortunately, it’s the veterans that are getting left out. [/b]Whether or not a longtime Destiny player gets a suitable thank-you gift means nothing for the bottom line, but when they don’t, discontent is not far behind. The last thing Bungie wants is for its biggest fans to feel slighted, and judging by the collective reaction to the pre-order packages, it’s safe to say that many do. Bungie needs to evaluate how important it is to withhold exclusives for those who are paying for the Collector’s Edition. It would be extremely easy to include the emotes, shaders, and class items with the VIP Founders package, free of charge – or even sell them for $4.99, etc. This would be the perfect way to reconcile the mammoth deficit of $40 that it would require to get a chance at the Collector’s Edition content, and would confirm that Bungie feels there’s nothing that its faithful don’t deserve access to. The Taken King doesn’t have to do much to have a better reception than The Dark Below, but in announcing its availability and pricing, Bungie has already made a step in the wrong direction. Fortunately, the ship could be easily righted, if Bungie proves that they do indeed listen to their community and understand their needs. Looking ahead to growing the playerbase is fine, but right now, Destiny’s current community needs to feel supported by Destiny.[/quote] Read the full article here. - http://planetdestiny.com/taken-king-editions-vip/ This pricing strategy shows that it was developed by some corporate analyst/marketing schmoe who has never played a videogame in his or her life. It just screams that the strategy was placed into a matrix to decide how they can squeeze the most out of customers while providing the least amount of actual effort. To put it in perspective, I've said before in other posts, Borderlands 2, which ostensibly is the same type of game, had four initial DLC packages (we aren't including the seasons DLC which came later) for $10 each. $40 for 4 DLC packages + $60 for vanilla. $100 total and you didn't have to rebuy the game or have content withheld based on your purchase or console exclusivity. Plus the game had an actual [b]in game[/b] story, matchmaking, audio/visual options, voice chat everywhere, trading, etc. Someone posted in another thread, "Who makes a Collectors Edition for DLC anyway? It's not like it's a sequel." Just the idea of it is absurd. What they are doing at Bungie and Activision just doesn't make any sense at all. And that quote, [quote]We'll find you enemies but not friends...[/quote] is such a middle finger to fans and paying customers the audacity is astounding. Link to this quote - http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/05/07/everything-in-destiny-needs-matchmaking-yes-everything/ What's even more astonishing is that a lot of people are falling for it! Stop paying for this game people! Stop pre-ordering this stuff you are only encouraging them to do it again! Cause if you think it's gonna be any better with Destiny 2, trust me it's only gonna get worse. Some people out here are saying we are nothing but glorified beta testers for their game. We aren't. We are beta testing their pricing strategy. Draw a line in the sand, people. [b]THIS FAR. NO FURTHER.[/b] http://lowbrowcomics.com/2015/06/17/dont-buy-taken-king/

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  • Bungie- you have failed this city.

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    • Here's a chance to do something more. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/136485193

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    • Food for thought. These class items that provide xp bumps. Think about what that means for a moment. Are they going to really create those specific three items and those alone? I don't think they will. I see this as a hint that class items will begin having perks to them and will replace things like black wax idols. One other thing, since none of us know how large or tiny this expansion will be, any assertion that the price is too high is useless. I bought the game and after trying it out for a while to make sure the beta wasn't a fluke, I bought the expansion pass. So far, 1,400 hours of gameplay and I still enjoy my time even though it has frustrating aspects to it. That is why I bought the next expansion. I bought it because I am hoping for more of what I enjoy of the game. I am also hoping that for 40 bucks I will get the same kind of return on investment. I am not upset about the collector's edition giving new players something I won't get, would I like to have that stuff, that is fine, but not a big deal. Do I hope that the items I get for being a day one player are only available for vet players? Sure, but if not, it will not impact my play of the game any more than if I did not have a gjallahorn.

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      • Day 1, got the DLC bc i was curious and interested. But never again.

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      • I've been playing since the beta, but I haven't played in over a week. The whole situation bugs me, the pricing, the article, all of it. I'm not even interested in playing the Iron Banner this week to get more Etheric Light. I'm thinking I might be done...

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        • Day 1 player, season pass etc and it feels like Bungie just shafted me. They won't get a TTK pre order sale out of me that's for sure!

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          • The trouble here in lies that what bungie has done with destiny is not new, releasing DLC costs 1/3-1/2 more if u pre order the whole game vs buying once everything is out on the last dlc pre order, and lil fact the moon pvp level in house of wolves expansion was IN THE BETA VERSION, so before they even released the game they had that expansion map AND components of that pvp activity playlist. Basically my point is some if not MOST of the DLC content was developed and put into the game before it was ever released and the ONLY thing you buy with expansions are the code keys for switching on some of these features. But this is nothing new to the industry its been around for at least 5 years. So that said you're not just taking on Destiny n bungie but most of the commercial gaming industry. On top of this look at macromedia flash, back around 2007-2009 ish Adobe bought the OPEN SOURCE program and limited its use and confined it to closed source, note every video on youtube is in FLV or macromedia FLASH format. Games like angry birds an good chunk of phone apps are designed in FLASH an ported to java script now as a result ADOBE makes licensing fees an rights uses off of every thing designed in flash or a website that uses flash formatted content. Just like everything else controlled by a corporate company money rules and if you can find a way to squeeze out more money the industry will steal it and make it the norm. Only way to fix this at this point is to change how intellectual properties are handled, the simple fact that u can register trade mark or patent an IDEA is OBSURD, any one givin the same basic knowledge as you can come up with the same EXACT idea.

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            • PvP was my thing and kinda miss it. But still my last session was 16th of june. ithasmatchmaking.

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            • What is https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/134447535 and what may never be https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/134447681

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              • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/133182717/0/0 One more time, with feeling.

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              • For the record, Randy B*tchTurd of Gearbox Software stopped getting money from me when he took money after flat out lying about Aliens:CM based on principles alone. That's just about gearbox though. As far as Bungie is concerned, I'm really really good at not "paying" for or actually "buying" content from Dev Companies out to completely screw over consumers with deals like this. It's completely directed at screwing consumers who already own content.

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                • I love how this post, even though it has 47 upvotes (second highest on the trending list) is not on the trending list, nor will it be anywhere the top of the feedback page after I post this message.

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                  • https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/132467206/0/0/1 Need another reason not to buy TTK? Bungie just gave you one.

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                  • Screw you bungie

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                  • I'm done on the destiny train ride-wreck. Felt that the last expansion was pretty poor. For me the game was all about the raids. The price of the next expansion, even if I did get it and pumped days of time into it. Is not just worth it. Just want my flawless raider trophy and I'm done

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                  • Better start listening bungie! Your fans are dropping like flies and I surely won't be buying TTK unless there's a worthy incentive. I'll start playing fallout in order to catch up to fallout 4.

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