And then you all will move on to the Vex and Red Death being OP, because the group using thorn and tlw, will have moved to the next quickest ttk weapon. You people don't get that, you are essentially destroying the game one gun at a time. I especially and personality hate the Vex, every game I've been in has at least 4 people using Vex, 3 + using Red Death/Suros/Mida, 1 to 3 + using thorn/last word, and the others what ever random weapons people use just as much but aren't considered OP-Oversoul, juju, WoC, Mida (every where, that's up there with Vex in usage), 3 little words, atheons epilogue, any scout, etc. Im talking between both teams to clarify. Thorn is annoying if anything and facing a team where there's at least 4 of them does sucks because 2 people can shoot you once each right after each other and get the dot to proc. With that said though I rarely die to the DoT from Thorn , and when I kill people with it I maybe get 2 a game. I don't just shoot and stop, I shoot to kill and I won't stop until they're dead from bullets or in have to reload. There is a difference between overused and overpowered, but essiantially any gun that is overused gets labled overpowered. You guys killed the Suros, screwed the Vex up back and forth, nerfed pocket infinity into a conversation piece, brought about the death of most auto rifles, screwed up heavy ammo in crucible, screwed up snipers by bitching about special ammo..already ruined most fusion rifles and get hit again with ammo nerf. Where was all this bitching last IB about Thorn and TLW? Virtually non existent but you all cried about Felwinters and Red Death. How about the times before going back to the first week of the exotic buff? Yea there were threads, very few here and though about it. All you pve players, xmas, and post xmas noobs come out of the woodwork now that the helmet is available and experience what it means when they say Power Matters. More than 80 percent of people who bitch about it 1. Don't have it 2. Are level 30 snd below. 3. Ran into a team where at least 4 players were using it. Which happens with many other guns especially the Vex. People still overuse Suros as well. Last night there wasn't a game I played where thorn users outnumbered the Vex, Suros, or Red Death. None of them are OP, just annoying. Lag is the worst of them all