Yea yea..."git gud scrub." I am pretty bad at PvP. I got through the Bad Juju bounty easy enough (maybe 3-4 hours of Crucible play). That was because there was no death penalty. Now...with the Thorn Bounty, I'm absolutely broken. I have been playing for over an hour, trying to be conservative and being a camper like everyone hates...and I'm still hovering around 30 points. I've had a lot of frustration in this game, and all of it was worth it, but this bounty (solely because of the death penalty) is the most punishing thing I've had to do in a game in a very long time. 500 points is a lot, and at 5 points a kill, for someone who sucks at PvP the way I do, is ridiculous to deal with while constantly getting mowed down. I can understand Exotic Bounties being difficult as a necessity, but they don't have to be this insanely punishing. I'm at my breaking point. Bungie -blam!-ed up on this one. /endrant *Edit 1: I'm playing as a Hunter. Mostly Control. I just got a Plug One.1 Void Fusion Rifle and it's amazing how much better I'm doing with that over Atheons and even Swordbreaker. I have yet to do CE Hard, so I don't have Word of Crota yet. Thanks for all the advice from those that gave it, switching to a Fusion Rifle has made a significant difference. *Edit 2: So after about 4 hours of non-stop grinding, I've managed to get to 428/500 already. Going to be so pumped when this is finally done. *Edit 3: So after just over 5 hours of grinding, got it done. Pretty stoked on the new piece of the collection, can't wait to get it upgraded and actually use it. I expected some hate from people...I know...I whined. Thanks all for the tips and what not, that definitely helped me out a lot.