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9/18/2012 4:51:11 AM
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How bulletproof is spartan armor?
I'm wondering because in the games Flood shoot master chief and he gets hurt but how if he has thick meta all around him is it that future guns are just that powerful?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh I'm talking about the needle itself, not entirely the raw strength of the infection form. So here's what we know. John's body suit is composed of a nanocomposite titanium alloy. We know it's bullet proof to a degree. We know an infection form can pierce it. Conclusion: the Flood can pierce bullet proof armor.[/quote] So apparently it's more durable when plot-relevant but is less durable when plot-relevant? Makes sense. [/quote] Nope. If the Flood were to have even a sliver of a chance defeating the forerunners, those needles on the top of the infection form would have to pierce class 12 combat skins and up. Considering MJOLNIR is class 2, it would make sense if an infection form could pierce the inferior armour. [/quote] Fair enough.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] raganok99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BIOHAZRED I agree, and the only reason the Marines on Halo can take so many bullets is because they are just that bad @$$.[/quote] That's game mechanics. It's not canon. Marines dies from a single plasma round or two in books. [/quote] True though normally if you where to shoot a human with plasma like that I would guess that wherever you got shot rather it the head, legs, torso, arms, etc; It would more than likely burn a massive hole through the area impacted. This being said the Marines are much stronger than a normal human. Remember this is a video game so you most likely wont expect or want it to be 100% Realistic. likewise My comment on the Marines being "Bad A**" was in some sense sarcasm because being "bad A**" Would not make you any more resistant to plasma in the first place. None the less the marines in Halo are "Bad a**" in general, especially in Halo 3:ODST. [Edited on 09.28.2012 12:07 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BIOHAZRED I agree, and the only reason the Marines on Halo can take so many bullets is because they are just that bad @$$.[/quote] That's game mechanics. It's not canon. Marines dies from a single plasma round or two in books.
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There's this thing called Full Metal Jacket...
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I agree, and the only reason the Marines on Halo can take so many bullets is because they are just that bad @$$.
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Definitely. It's obvious just from looking at how much damage the marines can take. Once your shields are gone, you don't even last as long as they do, usually. The armor is just for show, you might as well have shields only and otherwise be completely naked.
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I feel that everyone ignored my statement for while ago. I'll say this again: FoR (Fall of Reach) Novel states that MJOLNIR is vulnerable to .30 caliber weapons or higher calibers PLUS armor piercing rounds as well.
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My problem with the armor is the gell layer, if master chief can survive a drop from orbit and survive due to the gell layer locking up shouldn't it do the same for bullets and catche them similar to the woven fabric in bullet proof vests? Though then again. It is a video game, if it was 100% realistic rather than 7% then it probably wouldn't be as fun. But since halo is changing I guess it would be 343% now...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh I'm talking about the needle itself, not entirely the raw strength of the infection form. So here's what we know. John's body suit is composed of a nanocomposite titanium alloy. We know it's bullet proof to a degree. We know an infection form can pierce it. Conclusion: the Flood can pierce bullet proof armor.[/quote] So apparently it's more durable when plot-relevant but is less durable when plot-relevant? Makes sense. [/quote] Nope. If the Flood were to have even a sliver of a chance defeating the forerunners, those needles on the top of the infection form would have to pierce class 12 combat skins and up. Considering MJOLNIR is class 2, it would make sense if an infection form could pierce the inferior armour.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh I'm talking about the needle itself, not entirely the raw strength of the infection form. So here's what we know. John's body suit is composed of a nanocomposite titanium alloy. We know it's bullet proof to a degree. We know an infection form can pierce it. Conclusion: the Flood can pierce bullet proof armor.[/quote] So apparently it's more durable when plot-relevant but is less durable when plot-relevant? Makes sense. [quote]Not according to you several times in that one thread. Did the rules change or something?[/quote] Which thread? Wee Man MJJC proved that wrong. Still impressive though, he resisted a hole not even Silver Surfer or Doc Strange could resist.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh This is the world of fiction, where anything is possible, even a giant green beast closing a black hole with his bare hands. If a Flood infector can pierce nancomposite titanium armor, than that's what he can do, am I right?[/quote] Hulk didn't actually close a black hole, and one could write it off as comic logic anyway. It'd still be canon, but whatever. What you're insinuating is that an Infection Form can tear though apparently bulletproof titanium alloys...but is easily held still by Johnson. It's strong enough to pierce "advanced" future armor, but is easily kept at bay by regular marines. (Granted Johnson [i]was[/i] a Spartan). Halo's supposed to be at least semi-realistic. What happened to that?[/quote] I'm talking about the needle itself, not entirely the raw strength of the infection form. So here's what we know. John's body suit is composed of a nanocomposite titanium alloy. We know it's bullet proof to a degree. We know an infection form can pierce it. Conclusion: the Flood can pierce bullet proof armor. 1+1=2 And: [quote]Hulk didn't actually close a black hole[/quote] Not according to you several times in that one thread. Did the rules change or something? [Edited on 09.26.2012 6:39 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh This is the world of fiction, where anything is possible, even a giant green beast closing a black hole with his bare hands. If a Flood infector can pierce nancomposite titanium armor, than that's what he can do, am I right?[/quote] Hulk didn't actually close a black hole, and one could write it off as comic logic anyway. It'd still be canon, but whatever. What you're insinuating is that an Infection Form can tear though apparently bulletproof titanium alloys...but is easily held still by Johnson. It's strong enough to pierce "advanced" future armor, but is easily kept at bay by regular marines. (Granted Johnson [i]was[/i] a Spartan). Halo's supposed to be at least semi-realistic. What happened to that?[/quote] Disbelief. Suspend it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh This is the world of fiction, where anything is possible, even a giant green beast closing a black hole with his bare hands. If a Flood infector can pierce nancomposite titanium armor, than that's what he can do, am I right?[/quote] Hulk didn't actually close a black hole, and one could write it off as comic logic anyway. It'd still be canon, but whatever. What you're insinuating is that an Infection Form can tear though apparently bulletproof titanium alloys...but is easily held still by Johnson. It's strong enough to pierce "advanced" future armor, but is easily kept at bay by regular marines. (Granted Johnson [i]was[/i] a Spartan). Halo's supposed to be at least semi-realistic. What happened to that?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kevow5 I think they make him weak so its more of a challenge in game[/quote] Yes very true!
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If i remember from The Flood didn't Guilty Spark mention that Spartan-117 was wearing a class 2 suit or something to that effect and the standard for the forerunners fighting the flood was i THINK a class 12(whatever that means)So to that degree i dont think the body suit would cause it much delay or issues. NOTE: i do not currently have the book beside me so the class 2 and class 12 numbers are pulled from the air and my memory but i think it was stated by Sparks that it was six times more powerful then the Spartan suits.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too The metal bits are bullet-resistant. The black bodysuit can be pierced by a Flood's puny little tentacles.[/quote] The flood's strength is amplified once in a combat form. A human form was able to send Sergeant Johnson flying across a good 10-15 meters with a single swipe of his "tentacle"[/quote] I was talking about that Infection Form in "The Flood".[/quote] This makes a fairly decent point as i remember an infection form almost getting Spartan 117 after he dropped his guard and was saved by Cortana. Leads me to believe either the Bodysuit itself under the armour is not as strong as it could be, OR the flood has impressive strength even while in an infection Form.[/quote] The Flood infectors (be them the infection forms we know of, or something else) would need to have super-sharp tendrils, to pierce the armor of the advanced civilizations they've come across over the years, like the Forerunners. Flood are master adapters, one getting through the Chief's tiatanium nanocomposite body-suit is no surprise.[/quote] It can adapt all it want, it still isn't making those puny tendrils any stronger.[/quote] This is the world of fiction, where anything is possible, even a giant green beast closing a black hole with his bare hands. If a Flood infector can pierce nancomposite titanium armor, than that's what he can do, am I right? [Edited on 09.25.2012 7:47 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH Some people are forgetting how powerful the pistols in Halo really are. [/quote]Yes. The pistol (M6D) fires 50 caliber (by 12.7mm) Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/M225_Semi-Armor-Piercing_High-Explosive]rounds[/url]. Those are going to pack a heck of a punch. [Edited on 09.25.2012 7:07 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AgingWhite Fire [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too The metal bits are bullet-resistant. The black bodysuit can be pierced by a Flood's puny little tentacles.[/quote] The flood's strength is amplified once in a combat form. A human form was able to send Sergeant Johnson flying across a good 10-15 meters with a single swipe of his "tentacle"[/quote] I was talking about that Infection Form in "The Flood".[/quote] This makes a fairly decent point as i remember an infection form almost getting Spartan 117 after he dropped his guard and was saved by Cortana. Leads me to believe either the Bodysuit itself under the armour is not as strong as it could be, OR the flood has impressive strength even while in an infection Form.[/quote] The Flood infectors (be them the infection forms we know of, or something else) would need to have super-sharp tendrils, to pierce the armor of the advanced civilizations they've come across over the years, like the Forerunners. Flood are master adapters, one getting through the Chief's tiatanium nanocomposite body-suit is no surprise.[/quote] It can adapt all it want, it still isn't making those puny tendrils any stronger.
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Some people are forgetting how powerful the pistols in Halo really are.
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its more the shield that takes most of the damage
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bryanesie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap And one managed to beat chief down with a wrench. But what we're talking about here are the infection forms. And I never actually thought of this before. One of them latched on to him when the combat form was beating him with a wrench and pierced right through the armour on his neck. That's got to be one hell of a sharp needle.[/quote]Was that the same instance where Cortana released the energy of his shield and managed to fry the thing before it infected him?[/quote] Yes it was.[/quote][url=http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmq9kdqu0P1qgwvtio1_500.jpg]Near the neck?[/url] I don't think that black part is AS strong as the green.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bryanesie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap And one managed to beat chief down with a wrench. But what we're talking about here are the infection forms. And I never actually thought of this before. One of them latched on to him when the combat form was beating him with a wrench and pierced right through the armour on his neck. That's got to be one hell of a sharp needle.[/quote]Was that the same instance where Cortana released the energy of his shield and managed to fry the thing before it infected him?[/quote] Yes it was.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sandtrap And one managed to beat chief down with a wrench. But what we're talking about here are the infection forms. And I never actually thought of this before. One of them latched on to him when the combat form was beating him with a wrench and pierced right through the armour on his neck. That's got to be one hell of a sharp needle.[/quote]Was that the same instance where Cortana released the energy of his shield and managed to fry the thing before it infected him?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RKOSNAKE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too The metal bits are bullet-resistant. The black bodysuit can be pierced by a Flood's puny little tentacles.[/quote] The flood's strength is amplified once in a combat form. A human form was able to send Sergeant Johnson flying across a good 10-15 meters with a single swipe of his "tentacle"[/quote] And one managed to beat chief down with a wrench. But what we're talking about here are the infection forms. And I never actually thought of this before. One of them latched on to him when the combat form was beating him with a wrench and pierced right through the armour on his neck. That's got to be one hell of a sharp needle. [Edited on 09.24.2012 2:16 PM PDT]
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Not bulletproof enough.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MAC Blast Smaller bullets like pistols and SMGs wouldn't do much, but bigger guns would definitely do more than scratch the paint. Ghosts of Onyx had the team held hostage by those neck devices and confetti makers, so maybe confetti makers could pierce the armor. [/quote] It was the inhibitor devices that was keeping them down, not the assault rifles.
