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4/15/2012 6:51:49 AM
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History is Being Made
And it's exactly similar to alcohol prohibition being repealed.
How soon do you predict marijuana will be legal in a state? California came surprisingly close last year. Eight states are trying this year. Could it finally happen?
How soon before it's legal nationwide? I guarantee Florida will be last.
Five years ago I would have said it wouldn't happen in my lifetime and am gratefully surprised to be wrong.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Learn the difference between use and abuse.[/quote] Tell that to the thousands of drunk drivers who have taken the lives of people who have learned the difference.[/quote] They're just idiots that still broke the law. No one is condoning driving high or drunk, and the phony law certainly isn't stopping anyone from doing it. It's a personal problem called lack of responsibility and due diligence. [/quote] And with weed being legalized there will be even more idiots breaking the law. It's near impossible to prevent these personal problems, but there is a way to limit it. The solution is to make the drug illegal and to try and stop the flow as much as possible. I'm sorry, but there are far to many idiots out there who won't be able to help themselves.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro Should only be prescribed to sick people [/quote] Except people are free to do what they want with their own bodies, even destroy them. And why shouldn't healthy people be able to benefit from it as well? Should we ban alcohol even though a glass of wine a day can extend your life by nine years?[/quote] thats some pretty flawed logic Might as well make crack cocaine legal while your at it, I heard its good for low blood pressure and 'a' glass of whine you drink more then that then those 9 years was a waste [/quote] Except Crack is [b]NOT[/b] the same thing! If you just do some research, you will easily find that marijuana has many medical benefits (or the THC does), only derivative is that it's a minor form of 'speed'. *Hmm* Do your research!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Octradox [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Octradox Where are you getting this information from? I'll tell you how this has affected me. I know this guy, who took it ONCE! He works at an airstrip. It messed him up. He's like a Zombie. I'm telling you, pot is bad for you.[/quote] Reality? Look up cannabinoid receptors in the brain. Why do you assume it was the pot? For all you know your friend could have been doing other drugs. And taking it once wouldn't do ANYTHING LOL! Stop buying into propaganda BS. Next you'll tell us you believe in the botched Reagan administration study that "proved" marijuana killed brain cells (It can actually revive dead one) when they combined 63 joints and suffocated a monkey? Nah, it wasn't the lack of oxygen that did it, it had to be the marijuana! Thankfully half the country isn't naive like you.[/quote] Except I know this guy personally, so it's not propaganda and he told me. I think you're the one in on the propaganda. It's a freaking toxin! How can a toxin be good for you?[/quote] How... How is it a toxin? Source please. Also, I know a guy who used marijuana and -blam!- up his life too. He used a dirty needle and got aids and OD'd on it and had to go to the hospital!!! ^That was a joke, btw.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Learn the difference between use and abuse.[/quote] Tell that to the thousands of drunk drivers who have taken the lives of people who have learned the difference.[/quote] They're just idiots that still broke the law. No one is condoning driving high or drunk, and the phony law certainly isn't stopping anyone from doing it. It's a personal problem called lack of responsibility and due diligence.
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I've seen drugs severely inhibit people because they weren't responsible enough to not use them at the work place, and I've seen THAT almost get people... and me killed. I'm against it, for teenagers, i hope adults will be a tad more responsible though. I'm fine with people I know using medicinal, like a friend of mine that was in a car accident and lives in a state where medicinal is legal. He came back here, brought it with him, it fought his pain off better than many modern medicines. I probably just stumbled over my words a bunch and miss-said everything I meant, but if people were responsible I wouldn't care either way. Thing is, I just don't have THAT much hope in the citizens of this country.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro Should only be prescribed to sick people [/quote] Except people are free to do what they want with their own bodies, even destroy them. And why shouldn't healthy people be able to benefit from it as well? Should we ban alcohol even though a glass of wine a day can extend your life by nine years?[/quote] thats some pretty flawed logic Might as well make crack cocaine legal while your at it, I heard its good for low blood pressure and 'a' glass of whine you drink more then that then those 9 years was a waste [/quote] All drugs should be legal, prohibition only makes things worse.[/quote] only way I would agree All drugs legal, health care never free again
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro Should only be prescribed to sick people [/quote] Except people are free to do what they want with their own bodies, even destroy them. And why shouldn't healthy people be able to benefit from it as well? Should we ban alcohol even though a glass of wine a day can extend your life by nine years?[/quote] thats some pretty flawed logic Might as well make crack cocaine legal while your at it, I heard its good for low blood pressure and 'a' glass of whine you drink more then that then those 9 years was a waste [/quote] All drugs should be legal, prohibition only makes things worse.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress Learn the difference between use and abuse.[/quote] Tell that to the thousands of drunk drivers who have taken the lives of people who have learned the difference.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Al B Querky [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Al B Querky I just hope they legalize it so they can tax it heavily. [/quote] screw that. I'll be avoiding that tax for sure by growing my own.[/quote] Then you'll probably start seeing a different kind of tax or fee implemented for that. You have to face it that the moment pot becomes legal, it won't come without its price. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be. This isn't like beer where only a very few know how to brew, this is a plant that just about anyone could grow on their own. If it became legal, you can bet that the state will not allow anyone to undercut revenue. [/quote] Sadly, you're probably right. But of course not everyone would grow. Not everyone has the time, it's like saying McDonald's can't exist because people can grow their own food. People like convenience, they like to go to dispensaries and pick it up whenever, and of course, some people grow better strands than others.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Octradox Where are you getting this information from? I'll tell you how this has affected me. I know this guy, who took it ONCE! He works at an airstrip. It messed him up. He's like a Zombie. I'm telling you, pot is bad for you.[/quote] Reality? Look up cannabinoid receptors in the brain. Why do you assume it was the pot? For all you know your friend could have been doing other drugs. And taking it once wouldn't do ANYTHING LOL! Stop buying into propaganda BS. Next you'll tell us you believe in the botched Reagan administration study that "proved" marijuana killed brain cells (It can actually revive dead one) when they combined 63 joints and suffocated a monkey? Nah, it wasn't the lack of oxygen that did it, it had to be the marijuana! Thankfully half the country isn't naive like you.[/quote] Except I know this guy personally, so it's not propaganda and he told me. I think you're the one in on the propaganda. It's a freaking toxin! How can a toxin be good for you?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro Should only be prescribed to sick people [/quote] Except people are free to do what they want with their own bodies, even destroy them. And why shouldn't healthy people be able to benefit from it as well? Should we ban alcohol even though a glass of wine a day can extend your life by nine years?[/quote] thats some pretty flawed logic Might as well make crack cocaine legal while your at it, I heard its good for low blood pressure and 'a' glass of whine you drink more then that then those 9 years was a waste [Edited on 04.14.2012 11:54 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 I hope to God that it doesn't become legal. Sure, it may not cause health problems, but it would make us become the laziest society in the world. Everyone would be high and completely out of it all of the time.[/quote] Not in the Netherlands which has less usage... And marijuana has never made me lazy, lazy people are just lazy. There's a difference between use and abuse, and laws don't stop people from using marijuana. Everyone that wants to use already is. These ridiculous arguments have been debunked again and again. There's NO evidence to support your claims.[/quote] Are you kidding me? People are completely dysfunctional when they are high. And as long as they are dysfunctional then they are of no benefit to society. Same with pathetic drunks. They all fall under the same category in my book. And high drivers pose the same threat as drunk drivers as well. If you get high to escape reality, then you need therapy. If you get high just for the hell of it, then you need a hobby. I'm not against the every-so-often deal, but there are always those who just abuse this stuff.[/quote] It's actually been shown that high drivers are safer drivers, though I still don't condone or recommend it. And not everyone is dysfunctional while high, and there's of course a time and place to use it. Learn the difference between use and abuse.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Al B Querky I just hope they legalize it so they can tax it heavily. [/quote] screw that. I'll be avoiding that tax for sure by growing my own.[/quote] Then you'll probably start seeing a different kind of tax or fee implemented for that. You have to face it that the moment pot becomes legal, it won't come without its price. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be. This isn't like beer where only a very few know how to brew, this is a plant that just about anyone could grow on their own. If it became legal, you can bet that the state will not allow anyone to undercut revenue.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fromans Fro Should only be prescribed to sick people [/quote] Except people are free to do what they want with their own bodies, even destroy them. And why shouldn't healthy people be able to benefit from it as well? Should we ban alcohol even though a glass of wine a day can extend your life by nine years?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 I hope to God that it doesn't become legal. Sure, it may not cause health problems, but it would make us become the laziest society in the world. Everyone would be high and completely out of it all of the time.[/quote] Not in the Netherlands which has less usage... And marijuana has never made me lazy, lazy people are just lazy. There's a difference between use and abuse, and laws don't stop people from using marijuana. Everyone that wants to use already is. These ridiculous arguments have been debunked again and again. There's NO evidence to support your claims.[/quote] Are you kidding me? People are completely dysfunctional when they are high. And as long as they are dysfunctional then they are of no benefit to society. Same with pathetic drunks. They all fall under the same category in my book. And high drivers pose the same threat as drunk drivers as well. If you get high to escape reality, then you need therapy. If you get high just for the hell of it, then you need a hobby. I'm not against the every-so-often deal, but there are always those who just abuse this stuff.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shadowmaster K And what about my right to stay sober, if you legalize it then it will be smoked in every drinking establishment and everyone that walks into there will post a positive drug test which will loose a lot of people their licenses and possibly their lives. And what about the straight edges, those whom have signed oaths of sobriety, are they supposed to live like hermits in fear some stoner will violate the sanctimony of their minds? I can see this going pear shaped very easily. [/quote] I seriously hope this is a joke. First of all it's nearly impossible to feel ANY effects when someone is smoking pot around you in public. Also, not all businesses would allow smoking... That's ridiculous to assume.[/quote] No, It's not a joke, your a pot smoker so you have built up a resistance to it. I have no such resistance. Every establishment I have been to other than the small pubs I have seen pot used in, and this is when it been illegal to do so, every establishment I have been has a smoking area, so the logic comes to mind "why not?"
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Octradox Where are you getting this information from? I'll tell you how this has affected me. I know this guy, who took it ONCE! He works at an airstrip. It messed him up. He's like a Zombie. I'm telling you, pot is bad for you.[/quote] Reality? Look up cannabinoid receptors in the brain. Why do you assume it was the pot? For all you know your friend could have been doing other drugs. And taking it once wouldn't do ANYTHING LOL! Stop buying into propaganda BS. Next you'll tell us you believe in the botched Reagan administration study that "proved" marijuana killed brain cells (It can actually revive dead one) when they combined 63 joints and suffocated a monkey? Nah, it wasn't the lack of oxygen that did it, it had to be the marijuana! Thankfully half the country isn't naive like you.
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Should only be prescribed to sick people
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RageSnipa96 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 I hope to God that it doesn't become legal. Sure, it may not cause health problems, but it would make us become the laziest society in the world. Everyone would be high and completely out of it all of the time. It would pose the same danger to our society as alcohol does. Sure you would have the people who used it in moderation at the appropriate times, but we don't need a new group who uses it completely out of moderation all of the time.[/quote] Honestly, this is the only possible negative outcome of legalization. It is rather unlikely, though. Alcohol is legal, and most people don't get drunk all the time. And only some types of weed make you "lazy" temporarily. Hell, I got really stoned, did all of my homework (English paper that I got an A on for 'creativity'), then I went to the beach and built a fire and a tp. [/quote] Right on! I get the best workouts when I'm stoned. Indica of course is better to be used at night to calm down before bed, but Sativa gives me a bunch of energy and makes me want to go out and do things.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RageSnipa96 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Engage Progress [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Octradox I think there is a reason pot is illegal in so many parts of the world. If the whole world ends up taking it, we're gonna have a messed up place.[/quote] Or a far more peaceful one. Marijuana has many health benefits and causes no direct harm. We're also biologically driven to use it. Prohibition is the real harm.[/quote] Exactly. Our brains have cannibinoid receptors for one purpose. Marijuana. If it is so bad for us, why do we have receptors for it? [/quote] Thank you! Though, probably just from thousands of years of using it affected our evolution. Still awesome though! :)[/quote] Where are you getting this information from? I'll tell you how this has affected me. I know this guy, who took it ONCE! He works at an airstrip. It messed him up. He's like a Zombie. I'm telling you, pot is bad for you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 I hope to God that it doesn't become legal. Sure, it may not cause health problems, but it would make us become the laziest society in the world. Everyone would be high and completely out of it all of the time. It would pose the same danger to our society as alcohol does. Sure you would have the people who used it in moderation at the appropriate times, but we don't need a new group who uses it completely out of moderation all of the time.[/quote] Honestly, this is the only possible negative outcome of legalization. It is rather unlikely, though. Alcohol is legal, and most people don't get drunk all the time. And only some types of weed make you "lazy" temporarily. Hell, I got really stoned, did all of my homework (English paper that I got an A on for 'creativity'), then I went to the beach and built a fire and a tp. Edit: And by lazy, I mean couchlocked. It happens with indica strains. [Edited on 04.14.2012 11:47 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 It would pose the same danger to our society as alcohol does.[/quote] Not even close. Alcohol is highly addictive and dangerous. Besides, we saw with alcohol that prohibition didn't work, why do you assume it works with marijuana? Remember Al Capone? Again, these theories have been debunked and shown to be just that, theories.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] farmerscott21 I hope to God that it doesn't become legal. Sure, it may not cause health problems, but it would make us become the laziest society in the world. Everyone would be high and completely out of it all of the time.[/quote] Not in the Netherlands which has less usage... And marijuana has never made me lazy, lazy people are just lazy. There's a difference between use and abuse, and laws don't stop people from using marijuana. Everyone that wants to use already is. These ridiculous arguments have been debunked again and again. There's NO evidence to support your claims. [Edited on 04.14.2012 11:44 PM PDT]
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I hope to God that it doesn't become legal. Sure, it may not cause health problems, but it would make us become the laziest society in the world. Everyone would be high and completely out of it all of the time. It would pose the same danger to our society as alcohol does. Sure you would have the people who used it in moderation at the appropriate times, but we don't need a new group who uses it completely out of moderation all of the time. [Edited on 04.14.2012 11:44 PM PDT]
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We drastically reduced tobacco consumption in the '70s, we didn't need a phony law to do it that would have made things worse by sending cigarettes to a black market, we did it by educating people of real dangers of drugs and not by lying to them with botched studies.
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Good.
