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12/25/2009 9:40:37 AM
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Spartan-058 Linda called "Lone Wolf" in First Strike *Possible Theory*

I'm not suggesting that she is this mysterious "Lone Wolf" character in the Reach trailer, but while reading First Strike, I found out that Colonel Ackerson, someone who was highly jealous and competitive with Dr. Halsey, and pretty much despised her and the rest of the Spartan IIs, had secretly had an AI steal all the data from every last Spartan II, Master Chief, Kelly, Linda, you name it -- every single piece of info that was available on them, was at his dispoal. Now, when I say everything, I mean everything. He had info on their parents, the types of augmentations they were given, he even had information on their Flash clones, which were used to replace the children once they had been kidnapped. It was stated in First Strike that Ackerson seemed particularly interested in the cloning technology, the data had been more extensive on that particular aspect than on pretty much anything else. For those who don't already know, Ackerson was the man who was secretly running the Spartan III Program, and was generally involved in all sorts of really shady matters. He even apparently knew that the intercepted transmission that was stolen from the covenant when they attacked cote d sur (I know I spelled it wrong) contained coordinates that pointed directly to Reach, and this is information that was apparently kept secret. He also was very clearly pleased at the the possibility that Halsey and the rest of the Spartan IIs had possibly lost their lives on Reach. Anyway, getting to my point: I'm not at all suggesting that Lone Wolf in the Reach cutscene is Spartan-058 aka Linda, not saying that at all. However, what if Ackerson had pursued seriously the cloning technology he was obviously so interested in, and managed to produce improved clones based on the genetic make up of some of the Spartan IIs, and kept them secret, even from Kurt himself who was in charge of the Spartan III program? I can't say if Kurt would have, or wouldn't have recognized kids that looking strikingly similar to the very individuals he grew up with, however, what if they weren't perfect clones, but were clones that simply contained certain genetic traits or strengths from the various Spartans. I believe that when Kurt was overlooking the candidates who were ready to undergo augmentation to be the Gamma Company of Spartan IIIs, I specifically recall his focusing on one girl in particular and it being mentioned how much she reminded him of Kelly. Now, I'm not saying that's a smoking gun sign that something fishy was going on with the Spartan III candidates, and cloning technology was involved, but at least I think some would acknowledge that the kelly comparison may potentially not as innocent or insignificant as it originally appeared. For Lone Wolf to contain properties of direct genetic traits of Spartan-058, Lone Wold wouldn't necessarily have to also be a female Spartan III, it could easily be a boy who contained some of Linda's genetic code, or perhaps even the genetic code of multiple Spartans. Ackerson is someone who had very big ambitions. The augmentation process was also greatly refined and improved upon, Ackerson even had an ambition to one day expand the pool of candidates to even the general population, and not just specifically targeted candidates that met a certain genetic requirement.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cranium Crater We don't really know... I can assure you that it won't be too different from the normal Halo game though. [/quote] 1. It was rhetorical 2. It would be in a much freer environment without the strict route-following structure the Halo games currently employ, somewhat along the lines of Call of Duty MW2, but that also employs the route-follow, just to a lesser extent. I expect it would be a countdown timer, break through the Covie forces, plant charges, and then haul ass before it explodes, much like all halo endings to date, but the rest of the game might well follow the Ghosts of Onyx novel

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sum Vestri NeX P.S. how much fun would a game based around the S-III missions be??[/quote] We don't really know... I can assure you that it won't be too different from the normal Halo game though.

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  • I wasn't saying that your clone theory was impossible, simply improbable. Tom and Lucy were the only survivors of the Beta company assault on Pegasi Delta (according to the book). I can see and even support that Lone Wolf may in fact be a Spartan III, induced puberty or not. The only purpose of the induced puberty was that they would not perform the augmentations on pre-pubescent teens, whether because results were unknown, or simply because it was a medical necessity. Still the point remains that Ackerson HATED the S-IIs, and the only remnants he brought from them to incorporate into the training of his S-IIIs were some of the augmentations themselves, Kurt (Ambrose), and CPO Mendez. I agree with you in that there is no way to completely remove this theory, as it is possible, and even plausible, it just seems to me like too much of a stretch for the average mind of a Halo fan. P.S. how much fun would a game based around the S-III missions be??

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  • Ah, I might have missed the fore-arm part. I always viewed it as she was upside down while shooting. While not as important, the halopedia says she was upside down as well. *shrug* Depends how you view her position I guess. Though the fact she shot 7 Elites out of their banshee's one-handed while hanging from a rope is insane.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Panzeereapa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OpTiMuS NYC As Cheehwawa said, I'm not at all suggesting that this is the true Linda, only that Lone Wolf may potentially be either a clone of Linda, or simply an experimental cloned Spartan who contains some of her genetic code, but isn't a full fledged clone of Linda. [/quote] Wouldn't it raise some questions when random SPARTANs show up on the battlefields at Reach? Good theory, but I can't see it happening, man.[/quote] I figure it would raise questions when hundreds of new Spartans were being created under everyone's noses in the Spartan III Program, but clearly not many people found out about that did they? ONI managed to kidnap a Spartan II by sending him and two other Spartans on a fraudulent mission. Anything they wanted to be kept secret, they were capable of doing. Reach was also complete and utter chaos, with very few instances to stop and figure anything out. It could very easily go unnoticed that there were other Spartans around. Most important, the secret code used by all Spartan IIs to alert other Spartans to their presence, is something that none of the Spartan IIIs would even know about, unless Kurt told them about it, which I doubt.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron She was actually hanging upside from the catwalk, the rope was around her foot while she was firing one-handed.[/quote] I don't know, this is what I read. "Linda used both the brilliant light and the darkness to hide. John angled the Banshee to her. He clipped the tether line from his belt to the frame of the Banshee and squeezed his thighs tighter onto the seat. When he was thirty meters away, he made visual contact. Linda had the rope coiled about a boot and wrapped about one forearm. She held her sniper rifle in one arm, and John could only surmise that she had been firing from such an impossible position." In some form or another, one arm was occupied by a rope she was holding onto, she was in a position where it could be said that she was hanging onto a rope, even her legs were wrapped aroudn this rope, and all while hitting all those unbelievable shots, she was holding onto the sniper rifle with just her one hand. Impressive no matter how it's interpreted.

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  • That doesn't seem to make that much sense. Why necessarily would the "new improved clone" have to be in the making when the original Spartan II flash clones were given to their parents? You realize how many years are in between when those flash clones of the original set of Spartan IIs were used to replace the real ones? There was plenty of time for them to research and develop this technology and it didn't necessarily have to be in the making as of the very moment the flash clones were given to their parents. That would almost be like suggesting that the Spartan III program was in the making as of the very early start up phases of the Spartan II program. Another reason why the time-line isn't anywhere close to being off, is due to the fact that there was a means present and detailed in ghosts of the onyx that was used to induce puberty into all of the Gamma Company of Spartan IIIs. They would go from looking like kids to attaining the stature of adults in a mere 9 months. Gaama company, I believe, had more than twice that amount of time before the events of reach even kicked off. That example I just gave right there means that, even Spartan IIIs of Gamma Company, could have just as easily been placed on Reach and completely appear as if they were well into their adult years, despite their age, thanks to the puberty inducing substances they had been given. So I wouldn't dare doubt the likelihood of a Spartan III like Lone Wolf, who is hinted to be from Beta Company of Spartan IIIs, an even earlier group of Spartan IIIs, could possibly have been a child that was created through research and development garnered from studying and performing autopsies on the Flash Clones of the Original Spartan IIs, and had simply been allowed to grow up normally without puberty inducing drugs. The time line falls in place perfectly or, at least, there is surely no evidence present that I have seen that places this theory in the realm of the impossible. Ackerson could have very easily planted a few superior flash cloned Spartan III candidates among the ranks of Beta Company just to see what would happen. The clone, thanks to the improved process, perhaps survives well beyond the original timeline of the original flash cloned Spartan II candidates, and there you have yourself Lone Wolf, who possibly managed to survive on their own during Operation Torpedo -- potentially possessing some of the same loner survival instincts and skills as Linda. [Edited on 12.28.2009 10:55 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OpTiMuS NYC As Cheehwawa said, I'm not at all suggesting that this is the true Linda, only that Lone Wolf may potentially be either a clone of Linda, or simply an experimental cloned Spartan who contains some of her genetic code, but isn't a full fledged clone of Linda. [/quote] Wouldn't it raise some questions when random SPARTANs show up on the battlefields at Reach? Good theory, but I can't see it happening, man.

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  • An interesting concept, but your timeline is a little off. For this "new improved clone" to have reached operational combat maturity, it must have been in the making from when the original Spartan II flash clones were given to their parents, when the technology obviously didn't exist. Second, the augmentation process wasn't necessarily improved upon, as some of the old chemicals were taken away to add in new substances to, in times of extreme duress or stress, make the frontal lobe's higher thought processes more recessive, and make the Spartan IIIs more instinctual, tougher, and more resilient. All of the characters that went groundside to defend the orbital generators werent specifically named, so its equally accurate to surmise that since Bungie sponsored the novels, would add another view to the multifaceted jewel of the halo universe, specifically the fall of Reach. We know what happened to Fred and Wills' teams. However, the storyline of the other Spartan teams that weren't heard from again and didn't make it to CASTLE base is speculative at best. With the Covenant attacking, communications are stretched thin, so its safe to assess that many things happened that as of yet are unknown, and weren't revealed in the novels or games. We so far only have the storyline of MC in the trilogy, with ODST being the exception, so why not go off on a new tangent? P.S. I'm glad to see that the novels took hold so well. I find the Halo storyline to be so much more in-depth than many other games, movies, or even novel series. They really have thought of some spectacular things, and left themselves enough loose ends to continue indefinitely. Not to mention before The Cole Protocal and Contact: Harvest, the entire storyline so far has only spanned at maximum 9 months, with the start of Reach and Halo CE in August of 2552, and Halo 3's end movie in March of 2553

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  • She was actually hanging upside from the catwalk, the rope was around her foot while she was firing one-handed.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] llamalizard Flash clones have a [i]very[/i] short life expectancy. So it's unlikely, unfortunately; besides, what's the point of having two dedicated snipers on one mission in one fireteam, especially when both are Spartans?[/quote] Using a sniper rifle doesn't have to be all that they are good at. Using a sniper rifle isn't even the only thing Linda is good at, it's just what she prefers. Master Chief can use a sniper rifle too, although not nearly at the same level that Linda can. Also, flash clones do have a short life expectancy, but Halsey clearly stated in First Strike that it was actually possible to have created much better clones and, what's more, the Spartan Augmentation process was once so deadly that the likelihood of 300 candidates surviving was virtually impossible. Guess what, though? The process had become so efficient that that was exactly what was being achieved with the Spartan III program. If the augmentation process can be improved to that degree, why couldn't the flash clone process? Also, again, it doesn't have to be an exact clone of Linda, or even be a female. As someone else said, it can simply be a different spartan who has some of linda's genetic code, enough for it to be significant, as a blueprint to their own genetic make-up. Having Linda's genetics as a base for any Spartan is an amazing place to start. And damn... turns out the entire time that Linda was hitting all those amazing shots, she was doing it all while holding on to a rope with one hand, while firing her sniper rifle with just a single hand :o Nobody should doubt this Spartan; she's absolutely one of the best. I'd love for this "Lone Wolf" to possess some of her genetic code for real. [Edited on 12.28.2009 9:32 PM PST]

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  • This theory would be better than making up a new group of spartans and saying ONI covered them up, but it would be hard for them to show that we play as a clone unless they do a flashback scene.

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  • Great theory OP. It [i]could[/i] be possible...and if it was, then that'd be kinda cool. [quote][/quote] Obviously, I don't want yet another silent protagonist, yet, I don't want a protagonist that is always talking. I'm thinking if the Lone Wolf was like MC then that would be great. [quote][i]Flash clones have a very short life expectancy. So it's unlikely, unfortunately; besides, what's the point of having two dedicated snipers on one mission in one fireteam, especially when both are Spartans?[/i][/quote] I believe the OP never said 'flash-clone.' I think he was saying that Ackerson had taken his time and crafted a high-quality supersoldier from the genes of one or more Spartan - II's. Edit: Jumbled up word fix... [Edited on 12.28.2009 6:55 PM PST]

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  • Flash clones have a [i]very[/i] short life expectancy. So it's unlikely, unfortunately; besides, what's the point of having two dedicated snipers on one mission in one fireteam, especially when both are Spartans?

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  • Nice theory. I knew there was something fishy about Ackerson going as far as doing autopsies(?) to the clone dead corpses...

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  • sorry for the double post but it might be a good idea to take linda out of the title...this seems more focused on ackerson and cloning with linda possibly just a genetic blueprint... you might get all the morons saying "itz not lyndaaaah!!11!!

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  • i like your theory, but i dont wanna play as a chick man, no offense but you cant invision yourself being a female, or at least i dont want to

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  • im absolutely in love with this theory...i had almost forgot about ackerson's interest in the clone information... actually this makes probably the MOST sense of any idea. i actually hope this is what it turns out to be as it is incredibly plausible and backed by the stories.

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  • The already amazing details regarding Linda just became even better. I think I'm on chapter 32 or 33 of First Strike now, and wow -- Linda, even while clearly not at 100% after having been operated on by Dr. Halsey is hitting some of the most unbelievable shots ever right now during this mission that she, Will, Fred, and Master Chief are on. There was another Spartan on the mission as well, Grace, but she died. Master Chief notified Linda, who has been skillfully surviving by herself, and still is as of my current location in First Strike, was just told by Master Chief that the Covenant are attempting to triangulate their signals when they use their COMS to find their locations. So, what is she doing in response? She is apparently firing her sniper rifle from some completely unknown position that even the Chief can't find, and easily picking off elites who are riding on Banshees in a single shot. That may not sound too crazy, but it gets even crazier when you consider that all three of the shots she fired -- that hit those 3 targets -- were all shots she had purposely fired with the intention to have them ricochet off one other object before it would make it's way to these 3 fast, flying and moving targets. Master Chief is completely blown away by her shooting right now, and even after these 3 impossible shots, with these 3 impossible kills, he STILL can't figure out just where the hell she is firing from. She is fresh off of a massive operation. She shouldn't even be on this mission right now. She should still be in resting for like a few more weeks, at the least -- and yet, is still able to perform at this level. [Edited on 12.28.2009 5:47 PM PST]

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  • Actually, Carter only referred to the new #6 as Lieutenant and he stated that the lieutenant could leave that Lone Wolf stuff behind. In context of the cutscene, it isn't necessarily confirmation that this new Spartan goes by the name Lone Wolf, but sounds more like it's a personality trait or style that the new #6 is accustomed to. Most important, with the way that I'm looking at this entire thing, possessing certain genetic traits doesn't mean this mysterious Spartan has to be of the same sex as Linda. It could just as easily be a girl, with some of Master Chief's genetic traits, or it could be a male with some of Linda's genetic traits. All I'm ultimately saying is that this theory doesn't necessarily fall apart if the #6 isn't female, or has the same exact hair color as Linda did, red.

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  • Correct me if im wrong, in the Preview Carter Calls The Lone Wolf 'Son' as in Boy like a Football Coach way.

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  • OoO, I like this idea. Looking forward to see more (perhaps some evidence)...

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  • Extremely far-fetched. If it turned out to be this, I'd be pleasantly surprised. But I think it's safe to say that it won't occur.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fos Tis Krisis This is impossible, at this point in time Linda is effectively Dead in a Pillar of Autumn Cryo Tube. She was nearly killed by a single Elite.[/quote] I don't think some are even reading... I'm not saying that it is Linda, I'm saying it could be a Spartan that is either a clone of her, or a Spartan that, while not being a perfect clone -- as in, doesn't have to be a female or possess red hair -- could still retain some of her genetic traits. Also, let's not be insulting Linda now. No she wasn't almost killed by a single elite. She was effetively annihilating targets left and right, all by herself, hitting shots that even the Chief himself couldn't hit, and the Chief left her by herself numerous times and she didn't have an ounce of trouble dealing with and sniping the hell out of any target that seemed like a threat, including numerous elites. What got Linda in trouble was she, basically, purposely put herself at risk to buy Master Chief the extra time he needed to retreive the nav system from the ship and, as a result, she was shot multiple times from all directions by many covenant enemies, she was even hit in the head. That's what it took to put Linda in the state that she ended up in. She wasn't bested by a single elite. She purposely exposed herself knowing full well what could happen, but she placed the mission of keeping that Nav system that could help the covenant locate earth, above her own life. Some have even suggested why Linda? Perhaps because she was considered by Master Chief to be perhaps the strongest of them all because of how utterly deadly she was while by herself. She excelled enormously while being by herself. While some Spartans would prefer to work in a team, Master Chief had no issue whatsoever sending Linda to go handle a situation by herself, and Linda actually preferred things to be that way many times. There weren't many Spartans or top UNSC that would choose to be in such a situation, and could handle it as amazingly as Linda could, she handled certain tasks like they were a walk in the park. Hell, were it not for her unbelievable skill and aim, Master Chief would have died before ever getting a chance to enter that UNSC ship to retreive the nav system. She was in zero gravity sniping the hell out of incoming covenant on thrusters, flawlessly targeting the precise spots where their shields didn't protect them. So, needless to say, she is absolutely one of the best Spartans alive, and Master Chielf himself has acknowledges that. [Edited on 12.26.2009 2:44 AM PST]

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  • This is impossible, at this point in time Linda is effectively Dead in a Pillar of Autumn Cryo Tube. She was nearly killed by a single Elite.

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  • As Cheehwawa said, I'm not at all suggesting that this is the true Linda, only that Lone Wolf may potentially be either a clone of Linda, or simply an experimental cloned Spartan who contains some of her genetic code, but isn't a full fledged clone of Linda.

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