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4/23/2004 1:45:47 AM
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Block this. Prove my point. Respond if you want (courtesy of Swat)
Fascism. Pure and simple. You'd better not dare speak your mind or try to be part of the "community." You'd better just stick to the guidelines, be boring and redundant, and don't you dare try to entertain anyone, even if it IS Bungie related.
The moderators need to spend a little more time deleting the offensive posts and less time blocking good threads that include those posts. I remember a simpler time....a time when the likes of Neo117, JasonH, and a slew of other "trolls" were left alone, free to post offensive, degrading, insulting posts all over the Underground. Not touched in anyway. Free to make the morale of all Undergrounders to weave and wane. But now, we have posters who make threads that get blocked for no real reason. Case in point:
Video proof that multiplayer will have the Pelican and maybe smoke grenades
by applejacks21
Click here to watch Bungie execs talking about HALO 2 info on hidden camera.
This leads to a amusing....no...dare I say it....HILARIOUS little video that he created on a sodapop site. There is an offensive post next, but then there is this third reply from bboypjm:
applejacks21, i made you a video, watch it. Applejacks21's video
Now, at first, you'd think that he is going to insult the living heck, no, insult doesn't cut it, I was frowning thinkin' I was going to find a flame video on that site, well, I did, yet I didn't. The video cuts down applejacks21 AND bboypjm, for replying. I found both videos hilarious. Then there is a typical mindless post pointing out that it is fake, I got that look on my face like "how freakin' dumb is this guy to have to point that out!" (but we've all done that kind of thing.) Then there is another INSULTING OFFENSIVE POST.
But, thanks to our heroic moderators, we can't thank applejacks for amusing us, we can't make our own litte videos in that one post (we could make a new thread), we essentially are not a community when it comes to being fans. There seems to be a lot of double standards on the new B.net.
Hail the new B.net Regime!
[Edited on 4/22/2004 6:15:15 PM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] stosh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] just another fan Hey, yozzel is only human ( i think). And even moderators are allowed to make a mistake here and there.[/quote] Moderators aren't allowed to make mistakes. We're like robots programmed by bungie.[/quote] Oh ok.But then why do you keep making them? =)
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I thought we are slaves? Stupid AIM has spoiled us all, ack! Fine *grumble* I check them...... It'd be better if I had teh edit power too.. =D
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] just another fan Hey, yozzel is only human ( i think). And even moderators are allowed to make a mistake here and there.[/quote] Moderators aren't allowed to make mistakes. We're like robots programmed by bungie.
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I've said this before, but I don't think people should even have the option of turning off the profanity filter. My reason for this is that the people who swear the most would immediately turn it off, as they obviously enjoy swearing for some reason. This defeats the purpose of the filter: to discourage people from using profanity and thus improve society in general. People aren't going to swear if they know it'll just be -blam!-ed out, and thus there is a lower likelihood of the forum turning into a lump of -blam!- (I am intentionally being ironic, by the way). Just my opinion. And I agree that locking threads is the way to go. Deleting a post doesn't stop the next flamer from posting in response. - Reiginko
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该死的错别字!
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Hey, yozzel is only human ( i think). And even moderators are allowed to make a mistake here and there.
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You may not be a forum moderator yet, but you are part of the chapter founder's staff now...so please spell check your posts. I have to read some of your posts more than once just to understand them...and that's not good. Puh-lease check your spelling before posting. It's not that much to ask. [Edited on 4/24/2004 12:48:04 AM]
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And picking on each other, *cough* stosh... =D But Moderators where once and still are members and do have needs and concerns that need to be met, and they can best relate to members, right? To stosh, with love from Yoozel: "I told you I would start using Ms Word once I get the powers, untill then, I'm just the lovable goof-ball Yoozel." =P
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I would have to go with the mods here. They seem to be responding to any problems or complaints that I have had very quickly, and you can see that they are interrested in what the user thinks, and how the forums are working, by the amount of responses on this and the other threads. You guys are explaining your case, and seem to give a damn. while other forums, xbox.com for example, are boggled down with trash. I mean, who wants to interact with trash?
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Man...check your spelling. You're a mod now or almost one.
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I havn't even touched the xbox.com forums, Bungie is the only thing I can really stand, maybe White ninja too. Bungie has always done a great job taking care of their forums, and with Archonos, he always seems to know when someone has done something wrong, or something needs his attention. It scares me some time! But other than that, these forums function quite well, it could be worse. Anyone who has a main strem forums knows it's a pain to moderate them, but it's gotta be done.. I think we should be allowed to have the filter on or off, what if you want to use a word to it's true definition? Anoyne who has a dictonary can look their appoperate meaning in it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SketchFactor Currently the profanity filter is not an option - it's always on. There is no valid argument that is going to sway us to believe we "need" profanity in our forums. And, maybe I'm missing something, but every time I've been on an Xbox.com forum it's like taking the worst of what's happened here in the past week and multiplying it by 10. [/quote] It's not even possible for me to agree with you more; although multiplying it by 20 seems more true Seriously, it gets that bad And for what it's worth -- and it may not be a lot -- but I have never been to another forum(s) in which the actual structure of things was this good. You guys [b]do[/b] do things fair, and it's a shame some people don't notice this
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] swatkiller Bungie should look xbox.forums.com or forums.xbox.com forums. They have million and million post and they keep peace on it. And they are not blocking a lot of thread. POST EDIT- I also add, why you don't want little profanity, nobody really care of this. I don't think people are going to be sad because somebody says shut up of -blam!- you to them. Halo game contain profanity. Profanity is everywhere, like stupid guys.[/quote] This isn't the xbox.com forums. We have our own standard. Profanity doesn't bother me, but very few people here use it in a way that doesn't just make them sound juvenile. Until then, I'm not really concerned that you can't curse. As for the profanity filter switch - making it turn off for some of you is not trivial, which is why that feature doesn't exist in this release. Maybe we'll add it back in later. Again, I'm not really concerned about it. Back to our "standard" - we allow quite a bit here. Most of the "locked" topics are because they are [i]really[/i] offtopic (talking about Halo 2 plot theories on the Septagon, for example), or they are violating our code of conduct (spam, racism, whatever). Our rules basically state that if you play nice and acknowledge that Bungie controls everything, you're fine. If you simply remember that, then nothing a moderator does here should surprise you at all.
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Just swear in another language. [I]Le Needler est un morceau de merde ! [/I]
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I'd have to say that anyone that considers the xbox.com forums as a good model are kidding themselves, or insane.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SketchFactor And, maybe I'm missing something, but every time I've been on an Xbox.com forum it's like taking the worst of what's happened here in the past week and multiplying it by 10. [/quote] that's why i don't bother visiting the xbox.com forums, but i didn't realize it was THAT bad.
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Currently the profanity filter is not an option - it's always on. There is no valid argument that is going to sway us to believe we "need" profanity in our forums. And, maybe I'm missing something, but every time I've been on an Xbox.com forum it's like taking the worst of what's happened here in the past week and multiplying it by 10.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Yoozel That's why the option is available to turn it on or off. [/quote] No there isn't. you can't turn the filter on or off anymore.
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Some parents do montor there kids online and do not approve of profanity, and let's face it, so really rude insults and words cold fly around here. That's why the option is available to turn it on or off. A spam pit forum? Should we just open up the 7th Column main page? That's all it has become, but anyway, bad joke. A zanny off topic forum would keep plenty amused and it would limit the little flame wars that happen in the Underground. I think they start because of to much disrespect for other peoples ideas...
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why say "shut the blam!- up", if you can simply say, stop speaking. plus saying "shut the blam!- up" is mean and it might actually offend someone. [Edited on 4/23/2004 2:23:22 PM]
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I'd be sad if someone told me to shut the -blam!- up.
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Bungie should look xbox.forums.com or forums.xbox.com forums. They have million and million post and they keep peace on it. And they are not blocking a lot of thread. POST EDIT- I also add, why you don't want little profanity, nobody really care of this. I don't think people are going to be sad because somebody says shut up of -blam!- you to them. Halo game contain profanity. Profanity is everywhere, like stupid guys. [Edited on 4/23/2004 12:03:30 PM]
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I locked it. And I locked it not because of its content, but because one of the posts was acting funky and I was trying to determine why. I didn't want the thread to change while I was looking at it, so it got locked. But apparently I forgot to unlock it. It happens. At any rate, I agree with Sketch of course, expanding the forums is good idea, especially now that the Underground is more tightly moderated than before. However, I dislike being called a fascist, and you have no business calling anybody that. The fact of the matter is that is difficult to keep such a large group of people from turning into a nothing but a giant mob. There is a reason that the code of conduct says that "We control everything, you have no rights, play nice." I personally hate deleting posts, which is why the locking exists. Deleting posts is when we get to a post before it really causes a thread to be derailed. But if people have started responding to the thread, I'm almost always going to lock the entire thread rather than pick through which responses are "okay" and which ones aren't. A classic example is when an inappropriate post is made, but some of the responses are amusing and/or on topic somehow (it happens). Rather than delete the offending post and thread, I'm much more likely to lock the thread and end the conversation - enabling you to see what was said, but without allowing the abuse to continue. That's probably going to be the common policy going forward (one that favors locking over deleting). If you don't like it, tough. Considering the size of our community, I think we're already pretty lax about enforcement to begin with, so I don't often pay attention to complaints about moderation policies/actions.
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We definitely need a spam forum. Have it called The Spam Pit (I love that phrase!) and put all spam there. If someone spams a forum, put it there. This way, off topic stuff will have a place to go. I'm not saying all off topic stuff should go there, but the low quality spam can. [Edited on 4/23/2004 9:47:20 AM]
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I'm not aware of the particular thread in question here either. I will admit that we hit the ground running, and to no fault of our moderators, we haven't all been brought up to speed with a single likeminded vision. I don't recall locking said thread either. Right now there are about 10 people (staff and moderators) who can lock and delete posts on Bungie.net. I'm trying to bring some order to all of this and establish some standards but right now everyone is making their best call and doing what they think should be done based on the situation. Oh and I remember JasonH... the only reason we let him go was because he begged to be blacklisted and we didn't want to give him the satisfaction. =) Everyone tired of him and stopped responding and he faded away. Once we increase the # of forums we have it's going to help things out I think since there will be specific places for specific discussions... and as much as I know it will be a scary place to go, I am seriously considering an all purpose off-topic forum where anything goes. I think I like the name Bull-BLAM!- that someone made up last week. Or Spam Pit. Nobody wants to suck the life out of our forums or sap everyone's creativity and personality. Give us a little time to work out the wrinkles... However, that said, there will be times and places where the hammer is going to have to come down. We've just got a LOT more people and volume to contend with now and the impact of spammers and flamers is multiplied.
