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Building Your Own PC Gaming Rig: A How To Guide.

Many out there in PC land have opted to buying a Pre-Made computer from companies like eMachines, Dell, And Compaq. I know this because they come into my shop all the time under the arms of unhappy, unsatisfied gamers who thought the deal they were getting was great...until they tried to play graphically instensive games (like Halo PC) on them. To avoid such annoying ( and costly ) visits to your local computer repair-guy. Try and build your own PC. Its really not that difficult, and after you have done it you can show your buddies how smart you are with your custom built rig. First off you cant be afraid of destroying the expensive electronics components that go into the computer. This will probably just make you nervous enough to actually do it. Computers are like linkin-logs that have electricity going through them. It is alot easier than you may think, and computer parts though made of realtively sensitive parts, are usualy quite durable. Second you need money. Depending on what kind of machine you want to build..from the extreme to the minimum sytem requirements for Halo PC. This whole adventure depends on how much you are able to spend. Fortunately when building your own system you can buy the parts from different vendors offering specials or lower prices on the parts you want, and you can get the parts induvidualy, and stack them up in a cool dry place, until the day you have all the parts to put togather. Thus making it able to budget out your final build months in advance (i.e. you buy a part or few parts a month till you got a whole computer). The major (needed) components that you need to buy for you machine are: 1 Power supply (PS)... The more fans the better. keeping this item cool in your case is VERY important as it probably will create the most heat in your case. It is best to get this item from a well known company (antec,coolermaster,thermaltake,soyo,enermax) as the more obscure ones ussually skimp on good components. If you plan on getting a newer graphics card they usually require thier own independent molex 5W dongle ( the 4 pin plug cables ), so make sure that the power supply has plenty of them. Some have independent SATA power dongles if that is what you plan on using. It is always to have a higher wattage PS so its not always working at its max. Having a larger power supply than needed insures you wont have to upgrade in the future. 1 Case (with or without power supply, made of Steel/plastic, aluminum...they come in differnet sizes and shapes depending on what kind of system you are building) 1 Motherboard ( there are alot of brands and configurations, its really up to you on which one you buy depending on what kind of system you are building ) 1 CPU (Central Processing Unit) Come in many different types and speeds, what you get will have to match your motherboards specifications. 1 Graphics Card (from the mild to the wild this is what makes the eye candy happen) Alot Alot of motherboards have integrated graphics on board, avoid buying one of these as they ususally dont have alot of power play graphically intense games (like Halo PC). 1 CD/ROM or DVD/ROM (depending on what you are wanting to do with your pc one or the other should do) Alot of new games are coming out on DVD making the number of disks in the package less, and also with the DVD/ROM you can watch movies with a program made to do so (alot of DVD/ROM drive have such programs bundled in the box) 1 Floppy Drive...now this is an old fashioned component that allows boot disks to function if you are running and OS that requires it. Or if you plan on ever doing anything in DOS. 1-? Hard Drive('s) ...Now some people have alot of games, or music, or videos, or (giggle) other questionable digital media. So what ever you are going to have on the storage drive('s) of the system, "how much" you have depends on how big and how many hard drives you have in the machine. Usually it best to have more than you think you will need, as a full hard- drive is ussually not a good thing when a game requiring 3gigs of space on your drive is in your CD/ROM telling you "insufficient hard drive space". Also having more than one drive is best, because the OS (operating system i.e. windows) requires a pretty big space on a single hardrive, leaving the rest for the games and other programs you choose to put on this drive. So getting a larger primary HD (hard drive) is ussualy a better choice, and having a second storage HD for things like your music, videos, and (giggle) other stuff. 1-?? Sticks of RAM.. depending on your motherboard you may be limited to, or have alot of options on what kind of RAM you buy and how much your mobo ( Motherboard ) can have. I would always say that you stay with Mobo Maufacturers recommendation as far as what kind and what configuration of RAM to use. 1(or ?) Soundcard... Now Alot of newer tech has placed digital 6.1-8.1 surround sound onboard most if not all the new mobo's(motherboards). this is great if you have a home theater system with inputs for such things. If you only use headphones, or dont have to cash to dole out on such things, this is still ok as the onboard sound can be configured to 2 channel stereo. If you want the most high-tech surround experience available, take a look at the line of audigy2 ZS cards from Creatve Labs, this has a little thaing called EAX that makes the surround sound a part of your games. Personally when I heard the ejected shells from my shotgun bouncing around the hard floor of the library in Halo PC, I was sold on the fact that my 6.1 surround and audigy ZS Platinum Pro was now VERY worth what I had spent. Now you should be ready to start buying. Here are a few links to help you make your choices. This is my favorite as far as cases and power supplies go. They are american made and have a great warrantee, plus other companies (try) to copy the advances made by this company. [url]http://www.antec.com [/url] This is by far the most well known and oldest company selling cases and cooling solutions. [url]http://www.coolermaster.com [/url] Here are a few more Case Makers: [url]http://www.thermaltake.com/psu.htm [/url] [url]http://www.lian-li.com [/url] [url]http://www.chieftec.com [/url] [url]http://www.kingwin.com [/url] Here are a few links to Mobo (motherboard) makers. Some makers are newer at the game but have great products. Always make sure you product has a good warrantee that will be around for a while. computer technology is like any other (there are mistakes made) so just in case you are sent a lemon its always nice to know you can get another new one sent to you. [url]http://www.asus.com[/url] [url]http://www.msicomputer.com/[/url] [url]http://www.soyousa.com[/url] [url]http://www.giga-byte.com[/url] [url]http://www.abit-usa.com[/url] [url]http://www.biostar-usa.com[/url] [url]http://www.dfi.com.tw/index_noflash.jsp[/url] [url]http://www.leadtek.com[/url] There are a few different Mobo makers. which one you choose will rely on what option/configuration you want your motherboard to have. Here ae a few links to different Graphics card makers. Depending on how much you are willing to spend and what kind of computer you are building will show you you what kind of card you will buy. [url]http://www.evga.com[/url] [url]http://www.pny.com/products/verto/[/url] [url]http://www.bfgtech.com/[/url] [url]http://www.xfxforce.com/index-interim.php[/url] [url]http://www.leadtek.com[/url] [url]http://www.gainward.com[/url] This is a link to a site that reviews hardware with a serious purpose to find out what kind of value and performance is possible, and if the component is actually worth the plastic and metal it is made of: [url]http://www.tomshardware.com [/url] on this site you can get ratings that actually have real people looking at what is actually worth buying, now its not always what you should buy, but it gives you an idea on what major (or unknown) brands are the most reliable, and worth your money. Now that you have checked out the ratings on different brand you are probably wondering where in the heck you are going to start looking for all these parts, well a site that alot of people use is: [url]http://www.pricewatch.com[/url] This is a site that other re-sellers use to advertise thier specials, and get new customers by beating out the prices of thier competitors. Another site that helps you choose which one of the pricewatch.com re-sellers is the right one for you (as far as how good they are at re-selling) is: [url]http://www.resellerratings.com[/url] *finding a good price is one thing, but finding it at a reseller that has great reviews is better Now that you have all that you need to find the components to build your computer. Your gonna need a little info on what to do with them once you have them. Every computer is basically the same to put togather, but at the same time they are all little different. So to give you a blanket effect as to the essential computer building instructions I will turn you over to a page that not only has VERY helpfull instuctions, it also has pictures. Here is Reg Stevens helpful guide to building your own PC: [url]http://www.regstevens.co.uk/build.htm [/url] *now this link is almost a year old so if any newer tech stuff is troubling you just post here and I will do my best to help you out. Congradulations I hope this helped you to realize your dreams of a killer custom built rig, both this topic and coylters' guide to the PC will go hand in hand like gleeful schoolgirls to help you on your way to building your new computer. My Comp AMD 64bit Athlon 3200 CPU Asus K8V Mobo 1gig matched infineon Xtreme RAM 2 X 120GB seagate SATA HD's Geforce FX 5950ultra (soon to upgraded to the 6800ultra) audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro w/6.1 THX surround speaker system aluminum Antec SuperLanboy w/ 480W PS [Edited on 7/4/2004 4:13:24 PM]
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  • i ordered all the stuff for my new comp im building AMD Athlon 64 3200+ venice core cpu XFX 6800GT vid card 2 512mb sticks of Corsair memory ABit AV8 Mobo 80gig western digital sata 150 harddrive Atrix 500w psu Sony DVD/CD ROM/BURNER Sony floppy drive Silver Raidmex case it was 820 bux later on im gonna get an arctic cooling heatsink/fan for the cpu(with the arctic silver 5 thermal compound) [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835186123[/url] and arctic cooling exhaust fans for the case [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835186121[/url] tell me what you guys think?

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  • Well, yes, you do need money, but that's obvious. If you're in your teens, I suggest a job this summer. Last summer I earned quite a lot, and this summer I am returning to the same employer for significantly more per hour, so I plan to get nearly 50% more with only another 5 hours per week. You should try to get a job with something you're good at. I have friends who are fast painters who do one house per week, a few guys who do all around yard service, and then there's me and my bud who work a CompUSA tech desk and the floor. We're all great at different stuff, and capitalize on it. Don't go to a fast food place and get minimum wage: go to a place that demands a skill. If you've already got a job, all I can say is save a little bit every paycheck, and do that for a year. Otherwise, if you have no job and cannot get one, erm, I dunno. Ask for money for your birthday and XMas? [Edited on 5/8/2005]

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  • The only problem with this guide is... some of us don't have any money. =\

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  • Don't you buy it that way?

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  • how do u get memory to low latency?

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  • Depends. If it's value RAM with high latencies, you don't plan on OC'ing much, etc then yes, get 1 gig. However, I have 512MB of 2-2-2-5, lowest latencies, at a fsb of 250, and it performs better than the gig of value ram I had before. I'd try to get 1GB, though, to future proof it as much as possible.

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  • Get 1gb of ram maybe.

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  • Well, i plan on updating VERY soon. From my: nforce 2 ultra athlon xp 2100. geforce 6600 gt ( not gonna update) 512 RAM . This is gonna be my future PC: Nforce 4 SLI athlon 64 3000 OC 1 geforce 6600 gt 512 RAM any suggestions on what i should change?

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  • um in response to an above post, if u do decide to get a brand-name computer (i.e Dell) u really shouldn't add parts to it, cause i thin ktaht nullifies the warranty, which is bad in the case that ur CPU gets fried, also i was wondering if it's even possible to make a custom labtop, don';t think so though, also i go for Dell, and my Dell 8100 i bought 4 years ago, only has had 1 problem ever, and that's when my hard-drive stopped working...but otherwise after upgradding my RAM to 512MB, getting a FX5600 XT video card, and getting a new hard drive my comp, works better than ever, the only thing that angers me is that Dell won't offer old CRTs with their new computers, though i guess im just afraid of change, i just hope the "new" LCDs work better for gaming, though they do support a higher resolution, also 1 more thing i want to turn up the resolution on my monitor, but then all my icons and everything else are just too small, is there a way to fix this? wait nevermind, realise u have to increase the DPI [Edited on 4/3/2005 12:13:23 PM]

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  • Why are you getting alienware? If you compare what they give you to what you can build to the EXACT SAME specifications, they come out to be 50-200% more expensive. It is far more expensive to get alienware. Anyway, with building your own you decide the case and all the other parts. It's much better to build your own. Dell and Gateway, err, overpriced for what you get. Alienware, by far almost as overpriced as Falcon Northwest pc's.

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  • Iam thinking of getting a Aleinware i think it costs $760 or $1011 and i was wonering if it would be hard to mod it to specs around the $2000 Computers also i was wanting to know if it would run halo Pretty good Thanks

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  • If your talking about that little red switch that says 110 and 220 then your it has nothing to do with processor voltage. It is about type of voltage line. The voltage that runs into your house is really 220-240 VAC. Some heavy appliances use the full 220V like a clothes dryer and central airconditioning units. Some window units also need this special voltage. You can tell because of the strange plug. The regular wall plugs that you see everyday are 110V-120V. There are two out of phase voltages on the 220 V line. By working them against ground instead of against each other you get 110V. This is how you get the standard line. I don't know what kind of situation would require you to run a computer on 220V but if you needed to you would flip that switch. Maybe Europeans use 220V as standard. I don't really know. In short don't mess with it unless you have to.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] turmsOFuse will someone PLEASE tell me if it is possible to have good/decent gameplay with a laptop set up THNX[/quote] Yeah just make sure you spend about $4000 on it. Be sure to get it with a really good video card because I don't think you can change the video card on a laptop. I just ordered a video card for my computer it is a Sapphire Radeon X800 XL PCI Express. Can a 350 watt power supply handle it or should I get a new one.

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  • If you want to build a awsome gameing computer and you don't really care about the money go for this: AMD 64 FX-55 with a 1mb cache 3Dlabs Wildcat VP990 Pro 512MB AGP Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro X-Blade Gaming Case, Silver Maxtor 300GB DiamondMax 10 7200RPM Serial ATA w/ 16MB Cache Maxtor 250GB DiamondMax 10 7200RPM Serial ATA w/ 16MB Cache Kingston 1GB PC3200 DDR ECC Reg. Dual Channel Kit (2 x 512MB) Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 w/ DualDDR400, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, Lan, Dual SATA RAID, IEEE1394B All this would make an Blam kicking computer. But don't forget u need 2 get 2 sets of ram so it makes 2 gigs

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  • If I had known more about computers, I would have definitely built my own but instead, I ended up paying more than I should of for my HP desktop. System specs: Intel P4 3.00 Ghz processor 1023 MB of PC2700 RAM 256 MB ATI x700 PRO PCI-Express (I used to have 128 MB of integrated) 200 GB Hard drive D-Link wireless PCI card Do I need more fans?? What would happen if I don't add more fans (my vid card has one on it) Would my computer just over heat and turn off? Is there anywhwere you can get fans installed? How much do they cost? [Edited on 2/9/2005 8:05:19 PM]

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  • yea guys, just wanted to say theres hope for u guys who buy big brand name pcs (dell at least). ive got a dell dimension 4600 with a 2.8 ghz pentium 4 and its a pretty good computer. all i did was add a few aftermarket fans, get a pimp graphics card, and all of a sudden, my dell is pretty BAD ASS! (i kno dell and bad ass dont go in the same sentence, but it doesnt matter) my point is, even big brand name computers can be good with a little tech knowledge and some upgrades.

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  • just look at my specs (below) they consist of the ultimate parts for a gaming rig, all (kickass) by Maximum PC.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhOsT_89 That red little tiny and intriguing switch is something that changes the voltage used by the psu ( power supply) to the other nuimber u cannot seethat is on the other side of the switch. Intel uses a diferent voltage than amd for their cpus, so this means that your psu may support the use of an intel cpu ( if u have amd), i mean, the psu may be used for both an intel based pc and an amd based pc. NOTE: Dont touch that red switch because your pc will not turn on or it may get damaged...( i havent tried it and i wont , thats why i dont know for sure what happens to the pc , this are my hypothesis...dont mess with that switch...i warn u)[/quote] Thanks a ton. I figured that is what is was, but I did not want to mess with it till I knew.

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  • That red little tiny and intriguing switch is something that changes the voltage used by the psu ( power supply) to the other nuimber u cannot seethat is on the other side of the switch. Intel uses a diferent voltage than amd for their cpus, so this means that your psu may support the use of an intel cpu ( if u have amd), i mean, the psu may be used for both an intel based pc and an amd based pc. NOTE: Dont touch that red switch because your pc will not turn on or it may get damaged...( i havent tried it and i wont , thats why i dont know for sure what happens to the pc , this are my hypothesis...dont mess with that switch...i warn u)

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  • Also...one more question for now. Underneath the main power cord leading to your computer, what does that little red swich do? Mine says 115 on it and some other number that you can see when you swich it (forgot what is was). Does it have to do with the number of volts comming in...? By the way guies, thanks for all the help! [Edited on 10/16/2004 1:17:18 PM]

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  • I dont think u can mix the both video. u have to disable one (i.e. the one integrated into the mobo because it sucks) and use the geforce one. BTW if u r thinking in upgrading your grafics card u should buy the biggest bang for the buck right now, nvidia 6800 128mb -around 270$ and 290$ in new egg, the eVGA 6800 128mb(the one im getting for 282$) includes a copy of far cry ( faster and cheaper than the 9800XT 256mb, and can get overcloked to GT speeds!!!) And about the fans, it does matter the size, but u also need to consider the speed the fans use, (i.e. 5000 , this is an average good speed) because if they cool at 2000 rpm( i think the speed is measured in rpm, just like the hds, correct me if im wrong) u wont get too much cooling no matter if u have like 3 fans. Number of fans is also something u need to consider, i.e. the case im getting is a TT case with good air flow that uses 2x90mm fans (one in the front for taking in some air and one in the back for taking the air out), one 80mm fan in the side pannel ( this one cools the mobo and the pc/vga cards), this are 3 fans with good size and to this we add the fan in the eVGA 6800 128mb and the fan for the AMD 64 3400. This makes a total of 4 fans moving air in the PC, good air overflow is what this pc im getting will have. If you want to know the consecuences of having only 1small fan ( the one in the cpu) in a PC with almost no air circulation, that is the pc im using right now( a slightly old 2 year p4 pc with high temp because i use for gaming every singly byte of speed it has for gaming, beacuse this pc is NOT for gaming so it goes hrad when i game with it. Well, the consecuences are, i lose 2 P4 one was a 1.4GHZ the other was a 1.5GHZ and te one im using now is an 1.6GHZ, so what happened to them, its pretty funny, the melted!!!!...so if u wnat your pc to work at its best and have anyproblem in doing that, U NEED GOOD VENTILATION; GOOD AIR OVERFLOW; GOOD COOLING!!!!!!! This is somethin i learned by loosing almost 300$ in replacing ucking P4 a series ( this cpu ar NOT for gaming, hey suck in everything, thats why when i finish building my gaming rig, i will buy a p4 series b 1.8ghz for this pc and maybe a better grafics card than the one it has because it uses an nvidia TNT2 ( this SCUKS really bad)....and i will also upgrade from 256mb ram to 512mb ram. Conclusion: if you dont want to cry beause your cpu melted, use good cooling this means as many fast fans as possible. And dont waste your money buying a video card that sucks, get the nvidia 6800 128mb ( 256mb, not necessesary, because no game asks for 256mb and the price bvetween the 6800 128mb and the one with 256mb is a lot, like 100$. [Edited on 10/16/2004 4:59:47 AM]

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  • I have never built a PC before...but I do commonly upgrade my video card (have a GeForce 5200). So, I was wondering...you always talk about heat...is there a difference between one big *** fan or several smaller fans? I was also wondering if I could somehow integrate my video card that is in my motherboard with the one that I bought at the store. (Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphis Controller and a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200) [Edited on 10/14/2004 2:51:07 PM]

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  • I'd just like to quickly point out that for those of you in the UK, PC Gamer have a special article on building a budget games machine. Very helpful. Cheers to the thread founder aswell this was a good idea.

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  • p4 extreme (3400mhz) gf 6800 ultra 2 gb balistix ram 2x 200 gb seagate SATA hd 850 watt enermax psu tsunami dream modded case dvd re-writer (8x, sony) dvd-rom (16x, sony) card reader floppy drive 3' ice blue flexi tube 2x ice blue cathode (neon) and the list goes on..........

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  • I saw the western raptor 10000rpm but is too much $$ for a 36gb hd, so i thought, the hd shouldnt make a noticeable diff in playing games in the internet such as halo far cry and counter -strike, so i said, let me change the 9800 poro for an 6800 128mb nad i noticed its like 200mghz fatyser than the 9800 pro and it has almost the same price and it looks much COOLer and i like it because many ppl have told me that nvidia is more reliable than ati and it has aslo MUCH better prices...a 6800 for 270$ including a copy of far cry!!!!! AWESOME i want far cry!..what do you think about the smal change i didi to the pc? and about the thermal take: many ppl say thermal take is a good reliable brand such as antec and coolermaster. The case i chose looks pretty cool! and it has a 400w psu (ive also heard that ppl say that tt's psu are pretty good. BTW: what is that every1 talks that is 3dmark or something similar 3dmark05 something like that and they say i scored 20k on 3dmark and 50k on aquamark...how do i know to see how do i score in that thing, and what iis that thing for and where can i see it? [Edited on 10/11/2004 4:55:10 PM]

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  • PC im getting in a couple of weeks: AMD 64 3400 2.4ghz Asus K8N-E deluxe nforce3 250 512mb corsair pc3200 DDR 400 2.5 cas latency 80Gb Seagate serial ata150 7200rpm 8mb cache Thermaltake VA3000 Dream Tower Tsunami 400w Thermaltake psu ATI 9800 pro 128mb (built buy ati) Creative I-Trigue i3350 2.1 Thermaltake cases are junk--all those fans are ridiculous and all their products are poorly designed (I have a thermaltake xaser III) Creative sound cards are junk, their drivers are horrible and everything is bundled with trojans of AOL<--trust me you will regret buying anything by Creative. Just buy a MOBO with good onboard sound-if it has EAX4.0 then your set. ATI 9800 pro - Good for back in the day, but you should wait for the GeForce 6600GT-will be around $150 + better than a 9800XT. Heck you could even get a regular 6800 for $50 bucks more than a 9800 pro + get a free copy of Doom3 and FarCry (6800 has double the performance of the 9800pro and 9800xt). Plus, the ATI 9800 GPU's run hot as hell, I dare you to touch the back of the gpu while running Halo (I really don't dare you because you'll burn your finger). 80Gb Seagate serial ata150 7200rpm 8mb cache<--you'd get phenomenal performance with two 40 GB HD's in raid 0. If your only going to have 1 HD it really needs to be a Western Digital Raptor-10,000 rpm's makes a big difference over 7200rpm's, but again, raid 0 is the most important. Even two lowly utltra ata 100's running in raid 0 will be faster than even the god-like western digital raptor. Asus K8N-E deluxe nforce3 250<--you are asking for trouble by installing an ATI card on a MOBO with onboard nVidia drivers...get ready for some of the biggest headaches of your life...Also, why are you paying the premium for onboard graphics when you already know your going to add a video card??? Why not apply that premium towards a better video card???? [Edited on 9/27/2004 6:35:56 PM]

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