Had an idea floating around in my head that I thought would be worth sharing.
Legendaries from unique sources (raids, Iron Banner, Trials of Osiris, etc) should be upgradable. I know the usual arguments against this...hear me out.
Let's use a proposed upgrade system for Vault of Glass gear as an example of the system.
1. VoG will continue to drop 30 Light armor and 300 Attack weapons as long as it maxes at level 30.
2. Because it is unique legendary gear, it has an additional upgrade tier on it's perk tree that can be unlocked to raise it to 36 Light/331 Attack, respectively.
3. HOWEVER, in order to open up that upgrade tier, you need upgrade materials that can only be obtained from Crota's End.
4. The upgrade material could only be obtained by breaking down a raid item of the same type: i.e. you receive a "331 Raid Weapon Core" for breaking down a Crota's End weapon or a "36 Raid Armor Core" from a Crota's End armor piece (yes I know the names are dumb, call them what you want). Likely you will want to have tighter control over how upgrades happen, so it could be a "331 Primary Raid Weapon Core" or even a "331 Raid Scout Rifle Core". This will prevent situations where a VoG primary weapon could be upgraded to 331 without having to do Crota hard mode, etc.
5. This upgrade system can grow with each DLC to allow legendaries to always be at the top of the power curve, but of course only by conquering the new content to complete the upgrade.
Now for a specific example:
You currently own a Fatebringer. You are running Crota's End hard mode once it comes out in January and you loot Word of Crota, the new raid hand cannon. You are now presented with a choice: keep your 331 Word of Crota and level it up, or break it down and obtain a weapon core to upgrade Fatebringer to 331. Of course once you unlocked the new damage tree you need all the usual xp and materials to get Fatebringer to 331. You could also eventually end up with both hand cannons at 331 if you loot Word of Crota multiple times.
The benefits:
1. All raids (or PvP events) from all parts of the game are always viable. The gear and weapon have unique perks and always have the potential to be upgraded to the top of the power curve.
2. Gear and weapons that players become attached to never become obsolete.
3. The newest raid must be conquered to get old gear up to the top. The work required to get a 331 Fatebringer is EXACTLY the same as that required for a 331 Word of Crota.
4. As the game grows, rather than erasing weapon and gear options, they are multiplied as more upgradable weapons become available.
5. Player progress is NEVER erased. I actually prefer this to the idea of releasing a higher level Vault of Glass and making us re-loot all the same weapons and gear all over again.
The drawbacks:
None, IMHO
Bump if you like it.
To all those who want to respond with "blah blah blah WoW worked like it does currently, just accept it"...why can't we come up with a better advancement system than WoW?
EDIT: Wow thanks to everyone for all the feedback and responses! Very encouraged by all the support! Keep those replies coming so this stays at the top and hopefully a good seed is planted with Bungie!
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Yasss
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In a way I agree it is most definitely a smart idea. What are we to do with these ascendant shards that I still have over 300 of. That's my biggest issue with the game that there is no reason for me to be using these regular legendary weapons (I say regular as in ones from factions) and not raids I feel like there should be an exchange for ascendant shards to radiant shards, and for the next raid if they wanna give the materials a different name and look fine, do the same thing just make it cost alil more. My idea of a good ration would be 30 ascendant shards to 1 radiant shard/ same for energies. Also if they make a new upgrade material make it 40. Or 10 radiant shards to 1 new upgrade material. I've just got the materials sitting in my vault taking up space and not being used for anything. I could just continue to use vision of confluence rather then getting one of the new scout or auto rifle legendaries I'd rather just wait for the raid weapons to have been released which is exactly what I've done
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Bump i like the advanced vog thing but only if they mange to fix it
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Good other than the DLC requirement. As well you realize that each DLC will make the last obsolete, right?
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Bumps
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That...sounds really reasonable actually. I think it would be fine with archetype cores though - Primary/Special/Heavy/Hunter/Warlock/Titan cores for classes of weapons and character class specific armor. Of course the perks would still be VoG centric like Oracle disruptor and Vex Striker and such. But it would be a great way to carry gear forward.
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Bungie would never do this because sadly they have become anti gamer. Since release at least 4 of every five updates have been a blatant slap in the face and all followed up with the hallow rhetoric of we care and are listening.
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Bump I would add I would still like to see the raids get harder but it should be at a third level. Say an 'Xtreme' level, leaving normal and hard. This level would always increase with new content. Possibly giving out symbolic rewards like our class items or shaders.
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This sounds great.
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Nice idea. For sheer variety, a similar system for upgrading non-raid legendaries to the new vendor standards would be nice as well. Maybe a trade-in system like Xur's exotic program (not as terrible as people say, imho) using commendations as the equivalent to the exotic shard.
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We nee this
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Yes but it'd have to be item specific. Like you can't break down four arms and then upgrade all your gear. Also you'd have to use Radiant materials to upgrade it, but if you had the piece maxed out you could use ascendant materials to upgrade it.
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Drawback, no DLC. Non dlc users are stuck at 31 I believe unless u grind iron banner.
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Bump. I made a similar thread like this a while back, but yours is much more fleshed out.
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bump!
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/92099845/0/0
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My Shadow Price with Glass half full and field scout bumps this...
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I like it! Hell of a task to program it but i will Bump this up!