I feel like I have to defend the position that Titans need a buff in PvP too much, but its mostly cause 99% of the forum base plays Hunter/Warlock and could give two sh*ts about the class. More then half the time they have zero idea about the class or the say " I got a Titan" and its lvl10 or theyve played PvP with it twice. NOTHING is gonna be done about the Titan class cause not enough people play it and care enough. We arent space magic Warlocks or the run of the mill 12yr old boy Sniper wet dream class. One hit melee...ah yes the Shoulder Charge! Hey, any other class, you have the same ability!..its called..running with a shotgun! Its fun, but in the grand scheme of things its more a novelty. Its FAR more effective to just sprint with a shotgun. No pesky initiation time, no limited time to use it, no animation.. If your getting smashed by a Shoulder Charge then the same outcome would have happened if that player has a shotgun. Things I would trade Shoulder Charge for.. 1. Warlock Melee Range 2. Warlock Melee Oversheild 3. Warlock/Hunter Blink 4. Warlock Blink/Melee Shotgun combo 5. Hunter Blink/Shotun Combo 6. Warlock Melee Energy Drain 7. Hunter Melee Speed 8. Hunter OHK backstab 9. Melee DoT's And nades! Yes we have one good one! The Shock Stick is amazing!...but thats really it. The Magnet grenade..yeah, gimme Fusion nade..better yet why not Trip Mine, cause that sh*t isnt a Mine at all! Trip Mine = Call of Duty C4 tossing I will admit tho, Shock Stick is beast tho, which kind of screws defender class. And its nice to have at least one good nade since, as always, Bungie gave Warlocks mutiple types of nades to decide from.."Hmmm spam GIANT DoT's everywhere?..OHK Fusion toss?..Heatseekers to find my opponents or kill the ones I barely did damage too?.." And Fist of Havok...also know as "Nova Bomb that you have to risk your neck to use" Ive seen Warlocks float by doorways, past a window, 50ft away, 1ft away etc.. launch a Nova Bomb and destroy everyone, and the AoE effect..GOOD LUCK! try escaping a NB.. Using a FoH means risking your neck quite alot. I have been shot out of the air NUMEROUS times. Just last night I got Blade Dancered out of the air lol And its so telegraphed, unless your in a small area people are smart enough to see a Titan and just move back. Yes its cool, yes it kills, yes its effective.. But...once again, like Shoulder Charge, it is trumped by another class..the Nova Bomb (also known as thr safer, better, FoH) That sums those things up but if you look at all the skills compared to others what else do you see? Quite a few "could happens" "might happen" While other class have "Use this skill, this happens" Titan skills are almost all "sometimes something might happen!" The biggest misconception eveyone and their dog seems to be wrong about.. "Titans have more health/armor!" No...no..you idiots, STOP thinking this! We get ZERO perks from codex that help to be honest. So while the Warlock has a massive Recovery boost that applies or the Hunter has insane speed and agility our armor stat is worthless! Dont expect changes, Bungie even screwed us in our final jump (catapault) While everyone us is blinking and OHK or evading we have "small or big jump for them to play duck hunt against us" Right about now a Titan will enter the thread or reply.. He will say "I top leaderboards!" "Look at my K/D!" Yes, yes, I get it! But what you did, what all us Titans do who maintain a 1.0+ K/D is just play a very very effective form of FPS.. We work with what little we have in compared to other classes and instead have to rely on trickery, situational awareness and gun skills. We somt have the luxury of magic or speed, numerous nades to use, DoT's or constant Oversheilds. A Titan is his Gun, his Shock Stick, and his FoH at optimal times.. (sorry defender Titans, I smash bubbles ALL the time for Muti-kills and wouldnt touch that subclass with a 10 foots pole. Guns replensihes Nades, Double Nade Chest, Nades Replenish Special = FoH about 5 times a match!)

A lot of people will say no to this. That being said, the titan class is the least played class in the game, and I doubt a warlock or hunter would ask for harder competition against their class. I still maintain that a Titan needs a pvp buff, at the very least the defender class needs a pvp buff. Shoulder charge is really the only unique and useful titan skill on striker outside of a few grenades. Even then, every shoulder change kill is always within shotgun range and there are many ways to counter it. I always tell people to check the destiny tracker leader boards for pvp. As it stands now titans are largely out numbered. If it was an op class wouldn't more of the top players be using them? Yes they would. The last time I checked there was not even a single defender titan in the top 20 destiny pvp players in the whole game. This is simply because the other options are much easier.

The only thing that needs to be changed is Ward of Dawn. It should be able to withstand Golden Gun and Nova Bomb.

So I am no longer going to really keep up with my thread because it's all Hunters in denial, but I did some math on it too. [url]http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/86442024/0/0[/url] Summary: The top 100 players for each class comes out like this: [u]Class KTD[/u] Hunter 3.90 Warlock 3.24 Titan 3.14

Personally I use every class and the one that aggravates the most is the Titan it has the Lightning grenade wich is a 2 shot and stays for a long time, it has shoulder charge a one shot punch, and last but not least the freaking atom nuke of the Titan slam I've been touching the top of the roof when I see someone Titan slam instantly I will die that thing has unbelievable range and it can stay for forever I find myself rage quitting because of that class. In the beta it was the warlock that was top of the guardians at the release of the game it was the hunters but now it's just flipping annoying as all get out I can't play crucible until they patch the class.

Defender does need a little buff. Too many times I've watched a Titan bubble get popped by a nova bomb or fist of havoc. And it normally seems to kill the guys inside too. Personally, I think that the shield should have minimal health left, like a couple rounds from an auto could drop it. Or destroy the bubble but leave all occupants unharmed

Go defender with suppression grenades which break everyone else's super/grenades/melee ability But yes. Bubble is rubbish. People either ignore you so you get 0 kills or they super you. Also ONE rocket destroys your bubble. And if you want to do well in bubble you basically have to take a shotgun to kill people that walk in. Shotguns take no skill and I hate them Snipers and fusions all the way!

Try a different class sounds like you don't know how to play as a titan man.

You're doing it wrong. Hold your FoH for proximity of the Blade Dancer. Not so invincible any more. In fact, I super-love slamming my FoH down right after the Blade Dancer just popped. DENIED. Love it.

Are you kidding invincible hunter... You've never played a hunter so how would you even know. And secondly I play a titan and shouldercharge is extremely overpowered. The throwing knife for a hunter needs to be buffed so as a headshot is a one hit kill and a chest will take down a shield.

I love voidwalking right into your tian bubble and nova bombing everyone in there. Great super you can't shoot me till I am inside your tomb with you, and no one is walking out.

Titans can take a shorty Melee combo at point blank mid super, bladedancers cannot. Fist of havoc is pretty much a guaranteed kill, Hunter supers are not but also can travel farther. It's a risk reward trade off. Hunters high risk high reward. Titans low risk low reward. The bubbles I'd like to see absorb the super then die with occupants intact rather than kill those inside. But the bubble still works great for tactical use to lock down choke points.

Our bullets should be able to hit people outside of our bubble while we're inside of it. That's the only thing I would change about Titans