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Edited by Wyattness: 12/19/2014 8:09:55 AM
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Why I'm leaving Destiny (replies added)

[b]12/19 - Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85687452/0/0/1]Added replies to a few of the comments below[/url]. [/b]If you’re not interested in the discussion, please save us both time and ignore them. I’ve loved this game. I put [url=http://destinystatus.com/xbl/wyattness]500 hours[/url] into building three characters to 30/30/29 before The Dark Below and even started [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Forum/637970/0/1/0]a group to find undiscovered raid chests[/url]. I could level all three classes to 31.5 but I’ve decided not to. Seeing the direction the game has taken in the last few weeks, I’ve decided it’s time to move on. The [url=http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/15/7393695/destiny-dark-below-punishing-hardcore]Polygon[/url] and [url=http://kotaku.com/destinys-biggest-flaw-1671385299]Kotaku[/url] articles capture a lot of what I’ve been feeling but there’s more to why I’m leaving and seeing friends do the same: [b]1. The more dedicated you are, the more you get screwed [/b] The Polygon article’s money quote is spot on: “The system actually [i]punishes players proportionately to their dedication to the game[/i], and it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen a major game developer do to its community.” If you ran the raid 20+ times like I did and finally got level 30 gear, you saw it immediately obsoleted by level 31 vendor gear that required no skill to get. You could grind simple bounties or lose dozens of Crucible matches to buy better gear than you earn by mastering the Vault. A slap in the face. If you grinded to max five exotic weapons, you saw that work erased by the new upgrade system. (And yes, if you wanted your exotics to matter, upgrading again was necessary.) People who say obsoleted gear is a feature of MMOs like WoW are mistaken. When WoW releases new content – in large expansions on 12-18 month cycles – they make the previous top-tier gear important for getting the new top-tier gear. [b]Good MMOs have progression[/b]. You’re earning the ability to beat the next adventure. What Destiny is doing is [b]repeatedly creating a blank slate[/b]. You don’t need any of the level 30 armor or weapons to reach 31 – they’re actually a detriment because you could have saved your upgrade materials for 31 gear. Casuals get a nearly free ticket and dedicated players see their work washed away within weeks. DeeJ wrote, “Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected.” I no longer trust Bungie will do that. [b]2. There’s too little payoff [/b] When I finally, finally hit 30 on my warlock, here’s what happened: my light number ticked from 29 to 30. No dramatic visuals, no cutscenes, no public announcement or rewards. I danced with myself in the Tower for 20 seconds and that was that. It was a microcosm of a larger problem. Because your hard-earned gear and weapons are quickly obsoleted, there’s no meaningful period to enjoy your work. There’s little time to feel like a rockstar or to help lower-level guardians who can level nearly as fast solo. Destiny wants you to be a legend but I think it makes you feel ordinary. Raid exploits made this worse. Have a Vex Mythoclast? You’re either a Vault of Glass badass or [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2k45jq/just_one_of_many_reasons_why_we_should_all_be/]a Joey who watched some warlock cheese Atheon off a ledge[/url]. There’s no way to distinguish. We’re seeing the same with Crota’s End. In a raid intended for top-level six-man teams, you can solo the maze and easily cheese both the bridge and Crota. You get no rewards for killing a level 32 deathsinger boss but can get an exotic within ten seconds of starting the raid after killing zero adds. What? [b]3. Just too much repetition [/b] Any prolonged challenge requires some degree of repetition, whether it’s practice or grinding. I’m up for that. But there’s a line where repetition becomes tedium. For me, Destiny has crossed that line. The DLC was a chance to introduce meaningful new missions, new enemies, new game mechanics, new storylines. The raid was fun the first times through but Omnigul is just another high-level wizard. The might/hand/eyes/gums of Crota are all enemies we’ve killed hundreds of times over. There’s no personality to them, no backstory. They’re not the Elusive Man or Flood or GLaDOS. They’re just angry pixels. When the community complained about the farming of materials for hours on end, Bungie let materials be bought at a loose rate… and introduced four new scarce currencies and made glimmer much more expensive. It feels like a shell game. A repetitive game that obsoletes your repetitive efforts within weeks is a recipe for disillusionment. Look at Reddit and these forums. One week after seeing their raid gear become useless and seeing weeks of the same cycle ahead, more players than usual are saying enough is enough. Among those staying, more than a few say they love and hate the game simultaneously. It’s what drug addicts say. Part of me is intrigued about the House of Wolves I already paid for (mostly for the raid), but I’m probably going to pass. I played a sport in college and a teammate said you get out what you put in but some things pay off more than others. Destiny’s effort-to-reward ratio has become too low for me – under 1.0 – and I don’t want to get sucked in again by its slot machine mechanics. I’m bummed about it. I’m an entrepreneur and respect any team like Bungie’s that tries to create something people love. I’ve met some fun people through the game who I probably won’t hear from again. If I hear about newly discovered raid chests, I’ll probably facepalm for not finding them first. I’ll miss the intensity of PvP and pulling out a last-second win. I do think Destiny has revealed a huge gaming desire. Look at how many people have said that they want the game Bungie teased. A shared-world sci-fi shooter with a great story that requires teamwork? World of Warcraft meets Mass Effect? Shut up and take my money. But unfortunately, I don’t think Destiny is the game we were looking for. Thanks to Bungie and all the players I met* for the good times. On some level, I'll miss you. * Except the guy who kept taking the heavy ammo without his teammates around. Screw that guy. P.S. Small edits to wording. I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun, really. If you're still enjoying the grind, cool. I'm just venting my frustration and speaking to Bungie and the people who feel like I do.
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  • Edited by Sneakler: 12/18/2014 3:10:14 PM
    When you go on a long-winded I am quitting rant and explain thoroughly why that is. You should mention what other game out there you think will grab you for 500 hours next. To just throw out all your reasons why this game isn't good enough or how it has left you feeling betrayed then that is your opinion...but it is very misguided. If anyone is no longer having fun doing something, they should no longer continue doing it. So you should quit. But your reasoning and the way you talk about them raising the level cap is just a joke. Omg they are letting people buy level 31 gear from vendors omg what a travesty what a slap in the face to hardcore players. All while knowing that anyone who does that will eventually throw that gear away for level 32 gear from the RAID. Maybe level 30 just wasn't such a huge thing that you thought it was, they want everyone to be level 30 just like they want everyone to be able to be 31 or 32...in due time. Sorry you thought when you got to 30 that you felt they should have sent you a cookie in the mail. You play games for the wrong reasons if you are hoping for that. You do realize that they gave us a way to upscale our exotics, it was optional, and could be done now, or later. The weapons are not "useless" if you do not upscale them. Did you want noobs to have to go through everything you had to go through as some form of punishment for not getting the game when it launched? Your selfish self entitled nonsense about feeling you put in the work so someone just getting the game should have to level up an exotic to 300 like you did...then reset it...and do it again just to satisfy you and feed your need for feeling like nobody is getting an easier path then you went through. You realize that anyone who was 30 and played this game for the past 10 days is at 31 now with gear that can get them to 32 once they get the materials yet you refer to it as a grind??? So with that said, who cares if your VOG armor is now obsolete. You have new armor now, that you can not have to worry about for months. You are very upset about purple items becoming irrelevant clearly and that sucks, because Bungie never came out and told you that you should get attached to it...that was just something you felt inside. New players need to be able to enjoy the high-level content too and it is people like you that leave me feeling like you want to be a "KING" because you put in more time then John Doe Guardian. This isn't Diablo. This isn't WoW. This is Bungies take on a PvE loot based, gear based game...and I enjoy this game for the 15 people in my Destiny circle that I talk to when I am on just as much as I enjoy playing the game. It is about more then is Bungie doing everything I want them to do because I am the smartest man in the room. Even if everyone on this thread validated your criticisms of what you feel the game should be, what does that have to do with...you played a game for 500 hours, got sick of it...and are quitting. This would have happened even if Bungie did everything you asked them too let's be serious now. Destiny was a grind for you from hours 250 to 500 yet you kept playing. So them raising the levelcap and doing it in a way that you didn't agree with that was enough for you to leave...okay I think we got it, you got sick of seeing other people be the same level as you with such frequency, how dare they allow someone with 250 hours be just as powerful as you with 500 hours played. Bungie is such a terrible company lets start a class action lawsuit wahhhh false advertising wahhhh....story mode incomplete wahhh...I bought this game for complete story wahhh...I am quitting wahhh...I played a game for 500 hours and now I am bored of it (very common) wahhhhhh.

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