Don't get me wrong, in certain circumstances I can almost understand why one would cheese an Endgame activity. Sure you may have a family and are a casual gamer/weekend warrior/have ran the raid a few dozen times and simply seek one last piece of gear. Everyone wants to be recognized for their achievements and wants the goods for the effort. I'm not speaking of some Roc strike/etc. Just Raids in particular. However it is Endgame, it is made for those who seek a real challenge, you know as soon as you see that Skull in the Director exactly what you're going in for. Where's the pride in finding something anyone can get? Case and point these recent springs of Crota cheeses, barely two weeks in and people have found exasperatingly creative ways of cheesing these otherwise fun and low-time taking activities. You're hardly saving any real time unless your team cannot perform the feat without finding the handicap in the same manner a man can do hard work (and may get shafted on occaision), or decide to live a life of robbing rich senile folk who can't defend themselves (and then having the gall to defend it saying God didn't directly intervene so it must be left alone, cops shouldn't be allowed to stop you.). If you can't do it should you be able to reap the benefit? There-in lies my qualm, sure the loot is RNG but the drops are pre-decided based on the activity. I guarantee you if someone spends an egregiously long time at a currently working Cave they won't see as many rewards as a lad going through a Roc playlist in that same span of time (in most cases, it is RNG afteral), even then most of that gear won't be as useful as the gear earned in what's supposed to be the biggest challenge currently in-game; Crota's End where the vastly improved drop rates have been seen as many who've defeated Crota have received weapons and many more have armor acquired on the road. I am the later, cursed by the 360 commune's love of cheesing if I hear we are about to do something too ridiculous in one such activity I boot me and my Gjallarhorn to orbit.