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Edited by Morroi: 12/18/2014 1:40:59 PM
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DeeJ! joo have some susplaining to do!!!

UPDATE: To those that have commented and replied, thank you. The insight and information offered by many if only an educated guess, is better than no information at all. People have raised a very good points. Bungie might not be able to comment. Could be a non disclosure agreement, could be another legal issue like intellectual property, or something else all together. [u]At this point realizing they may never reply or can't, I'm more interested in what their path forward is. What plans they have for the game to fix the story. [/u] The post is not intended to have the same tone as a lot of the completely negative reviews and complaints you see on the forums. It asks a simple question, "Why the changes?" I have gotten a lot of the same responses so this edit is a way to address the repetition of those responses without replying to hundreds of the same question or comment. 1. The original video is a [i]summarization[/i] of a lot of the differences. It is not a complete and total list of all of them. I say that below. I also say that the links for all of the Bungie trailers and ViDoc's (that show content in which you can see all of the differences for yourself) are available in the body text of the video provided on YouTube. They are still available to watch on Bungie's destinythegame YouTube channel. Watch for yourself and you be the judge if you doubt the authenticity of the video I linked. 2. It is not unrealistic to expect a game to look and be a way a developer says it is repeatedly when they don't tell you anything about major overhaul or changes. When you tell me something is a certain way or has certain aspects I believe it. And when it's delivered if it's missing many of those, it's not crazy to notice or ask questions. 3. The changes are apparent. Not just in the video above but several from Bungie themselves. This is not arguable. I'm not claiming some mass conspiracy nor is this some whistleblower or anti establishment rant. (Why do people keep bringing up Edward Snowden?) This post is asking the question, "Why did things change so much?" That is not unreasonable to ask. 4. I noticed and pieced together the differences from my own memory and looking online. I was not following the information about these differences in September or October because I was playing the game. I was still understanding what I had. I'm not a journalist, I have no obligation to bring you the latest breaking news in regards to Destiny. I noticed something, I felt it begged a question, I asked. That's what these forums are for. The fact that it had been asked 3 months ago and no official answer was given was news to me and to many. It also makes me even more curious. Some as you can see from the posts weren't even aware of the differences. 5. To those who it applies, please stop confusing a person asking questions and expressing disappointment in a rational way as complete negativity of the game and whining. I say below I enjoy the game. I say I liked the DLC. I say I hope they change my mind. I'm not trying to demonize DeeJ or Bungie. I wanted an answer to a question. I enjoy the game even though it is a solid C rating for me. I believe it has the possibility to be truly great in time with additional content, patches, hot fixes, etc. Despite what happened in the past. I say that below. 6. I raid, do weeklies, heroics, bounties, Crucible, and events just like everyone else. Again the post was to ask why is it not the A plus game we expected? If others feel it is an A plus game then they are perfectly entitled to feel that way. I don't, many don't, hence the question. [b]Original Post:[/b] [u]Note:[/u] The video above references some BIG changes in this game now versus a year and a half ago. All of the referenced videos or ViDoc's are from Bungie itself. They have been summarized by the narrator in the video but the links to the original videos are listed on the YouTube channel so you can view without edit and judge for yourself. Keep that in mind. In the reddit post that was "leaked" in which someone who claims to be a former or current employee of Bungie talks about the drastic differences in the game they worked on versus the one that shipped, you are quoted as saying in the comments that we are being "trolled by the Internet and to not to believe it." This post has mysteriously been removed repeatedly from Reddit and the Bungie forums even when it has been reposted again and again by players. I'm not reposting it. I'm not looking to get an account ban. I myself commented on one of the posts asking questions why the game is so different and not five minutes later the entire thread was shut down. I violated no terms or service or code of conduct. Odd. And it made me wonder even more, "If there's not any truth then why care? Why the swift censorship? Why [i]not[/i] an explanation if there is any truth to it?" But you can't believe everything you read on the Internet as we all know and it has been over a year and a half since I viewed the ViDoc's that Bungie released. (Yes I've been following the game that long.) But there was some thing gnawing at my mind that wouldn't leave me alone. Something that said "No, this is not right. You're not getting the experience you were led to expect and this game, while enjoyable, is a far cry from what you were led to believe." That I'm not wrong in feeling underwhelmed and that Bungie fell short of the great work they normally do. I love your guys' games. Or, I never felt disappointed in them up until this point. I never played Marathon or Myth but I was a huge fan since Halo 1 and was sad to hear when you guys left the series after Reach. I wanted to give you guys the benefit of the doubt when the game stopped living up to expectations. But, I wanted to be right in doing so. I've defended this game and believed it could be the great experience that was promised. So I went back and looked up the ViDoc's. Less than a year and a half ago you guys released a ton of info on this game. And it looked amazing. Just the story alone. Not the menus, the customizations, the differences in talent builds, the weapon layouts (which are all different in the videos). I mean the story. Which we all agree is full of holes. And just watching the ViDoc's BUNGIE released again, the story alone is DRAMATICALLY different. It was complete. Or at least more complete. The Queen's brother is a character called Crow voiced by a different actor. The City and Speaker don't appear to be altruistic as they appear. In some instances drastic differences in level design, while other areas that aren't even in the shipped game [i]are[/i] playable a year and a half ago. Whole new planets (Saturn and Mercury) which are referenced on the Grimoire but not in the shipped game. References to Faction Wars, the Reef seeming to be a sanctuary similar to the Tower? It's was shocking. Then I thought well maybe they cut it all out to release as content updates and dlc. But Bungie has explicitly said that they "did not cut game content to release as dlc." And even more interesting a lot of these differences are files on the shipped game but not accessible or playable. And coincidentally every one of the differences noted in the ViDoc's was referenced in that Reddit article. But I was just gonna dismiss it as fanfiction. A convenient way to string together some information and give us a little bit of drama. You yourself said it was a lie. There were no major edits or game changes a year before the game shipped because of change in direction. But that is conflicting information from what Bungie itself has given. [u]In the video above, it shows a fireteam around the 14:32 mark. Imagine my surprise when looking at the stark difference in menus, I noticed one of the player names is yours. DeeJ BNG. Clear as day. That is hard to dismiss.[/u] Look dude, I don't know you from Adam. I have no clue what kind of challenges you face in your job or what has happened at Bungie over the last two years. I have no idea why SO MUCH content has been cut from this game when it shipped. Why the game a year and a half ago looked so much better than the slapdash skeleton we have now. I can only assume it was some intellectual property issue or development issue that caused it to be axed so it could ship on time. What I don't like is being jerked around. I play this game for entertainment. For fun. I spent $60 of my hard earned dollars on it because I expected a game of the caliber and quality your company is known for. And as your consumer when the goods don't measure up; When I and legions of your fans ask you about it, I expect an honest damn answer. I don't need you to claim ignorance about something and then to find out later it's a lie. Many of us play games to escape from our daily lives, if only for a brief respite. To enjoy, to have fun, to be a little bit of a kid again. We are lied to and disappointed daily from everyone. And we call that "Life". I sure as hell am not about to start giving my money to a gaming company, something I use as an escape, so you can do it too. If that is the new direction that Bungie is taking as part of its 10 year plan, you'll not only lose a fan, you'll lose a consumer. I hope I'm wrong. And I hope you guys prove me wrong with what you have planned for this game.
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  • Very well written and convey's the question a lot of people in the [i]Destiny[/i] community and some who may have already left the community, want answered. I know DeeJ has a job to do and he can only do it within certain restrictions I'm sure. I know he say's he is one of us and is our voice to [i]Bungie[/i] and will give the community updates on what is in the works. In the end he is still an employee of Bungie and we will only get answers to things that they have authorized him to answer or relay to the community. I'm sure he struggles with his job, just like every other hard working person, but he takes a lot of heat because he is the [i]middleman[/i] and as much as he wants to tell us answers we truly want to know, we will be left with continuous [b]vague updates[/b] about things that most people don't have a clue or could care less about. I'm enjoying this game, as it is that escape that people want from there daily troubles, but I know deep down that this is a shell of what I was so excited for before September 9th. For now I'm going to continue to play and have fun and hopefully one day we will get an answer or at the very least start to see content we know [i]Bungie[/i] is very capable of creating. If not I have a feeling that they will inevitably push away the hardcore gamer's that started the grind since launch day, in favor trying to draw in a new crowd with a new type of "gaming experience." In short I hope that one day we can all look back at the beginning and see how things have changed for the best and this question becomes lost as we no longer care for an answer. Until then we can only hope that the team over at [i]Bungie[/i] can pump out some unbelievable content to shut up all the naysayers and haters and bring everyone together to play and have that truly amazing moment when we realize that they did it and all of this will just become a lost memory.

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    • Somewhere in a parallel universe our other selves are playing the Destiny we saw in those videos. If only we could jump to the point where the two realities deviated... Now that that philosophical quantum mechanics mumbo jumbo is out of the way... Destiny as it is currently isn't bad. There's just enough there for me to find some enjoyment out of it. But what I saw in those original videos, what made me want to buy the game and expect a helluva ride, is not what was/is in the current Destiny, and that's a shame. The 'advertised' Destiny (the one in the videos) looked like Mass Effect (interesting & vibrant characters with a rich, engaging story world) meets The Old Republic (an ambitious shared world, planet travelling, grand adventure) while also being a solid & enjoyable FPS where you can mould your character into a legend. The FPS part came true at least but.... So much missed potential that if they had stayed the course would have made for a truly amazing game.

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      • I have a sneaking suspicion it went like this: 7-ish years ago, Bungie decided to create Destiny. They had a loose plan, and used ODST and Halo: Reach to explore some game mechanics, and code the engine. Meanwhile, they had Staten locked in a room, writing pages of backstory and story and exposition about the game. Then, they brought the two together later in the development cycle, without them talking first. Staten's grand story, while awesome on paper, turned into a massive undertaking on the technical side. Bungie worked on it, already arguing with Staten that while some of his ideas were amazing, implementing them was out of their scope for this game. The Bungie/Staten rift began. Eventually, Bungie started to run out of money, and went shopping for a distributor to get some seed money to finish their vision. Unfortunately, they got into bed with Activision, and I think that Activision said "we'll give you money, but we get to make some changes." I think their changes amounted to 2 things - A) they wanted certain things dumbed down so that younger players and casuals would still have a reason to play this game and to make the grind last longer and B) they wanted to release it on both new and old gen consoles, which meant that a lot of the exciting stuff had to be pitched because old gen consoles couldn't handle the frame rate. At this point. Staten had had enough, and left Bungie. Destiny was gutted to meet those two Activision goals, and now we have the game we have. //I have absolutely nothing other than a 10 year background in software development (not VGs, just generic, java based web software) to base this on, but I've found that most of the issues in Software Dev are the result of 1) people's expectations not aligning with the technology available and 2) people on the business side making decisions based on market-share and immediate profit instead of long-term functionality and business sustainability.

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        • This is a very explainable (not justifiable at all however) and commonly seen tactic used by scum I mean companies like Ubisoft and EA, bait and switch. Show us greatness at E3, be complete sub par at launch *AHEM WATCHDOGS*

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        • A few things; 1. Prototype areas in what is essentially an alpha build don't mean much. If you've ever been on Steam you'll know through Early Access that some stuff just doesn't make it into the game due to whatever, time constraints or budgetary concerns or that they just flat out didn't work. So, would I have liked Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn? Of course, and preferably I'd have liked more transparency beforehand that they weren't going to be in the game. I'd have loved the Reef as a hub. But I'm also not naive enough to think that a few seconds here or there in a build of the game months away from release guarantees that they were promised or even fully implemented in the game. That's, frankly, just stupid. 2. The "original" story sounds cool, but here's a question I never see asked; where do you go from there? The Traveller is evil, the City is a lie, etc, etc. So what's next? What's the plot of Destiny 2 supposed to be? I mean, you just defeated the big bad Darkness. And while I'm sure some people, yourself included, will simply say "well, just think of something", I can say it's a hell of a lot harder than that. Besides, this was the opening chapter in this franchise, turning the entire universe essentially on its head doesn't make sense. For a single player game, like Halo, it would have been an amazing first step. For an open world MMO hybrid? Not so much. Am I saying what they ended up with was better, or even good? No, it was terrible. It was vague in a sad attempt to sound mysterious, with throwaway characters and exposition out the ass. They should have done a MUCH better job telling a coherent story. But that doesn't mean they had to go with that original story either. 3. I don't buy that they cut out content, at least to the extent people think. Yes, there are areas in the game that are blocked off but appear fully constructed (such as the Seraphim Vault or that HoW area in the refinery) but that doesn't mean they're finished. Modding fallout has taught me that just building a room isn't enough if you want things to happen there. There's scripting, navmeshing and the like. There's more than just 4 walls and a group of enemies. The problem is most people don't understand this and, probably more likely, it's easier to believe the evil corporation screwing you over narrative than the more complicated truth.

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          • Ok guys, lets get a couple things straight, and please feel free to let me know if I am wrong. All of these videos do show different stuff. Yes that is correct, everyone remembers how this is going to be a 10 year game FRANCHISE? That's right, most likely those actual planets will be an extension of this game in you guessed it DESTINY 2. That content could be what is to come over all. Yes It did seem misleading but the aspects of the game is still amazing. The story line. holyier than the pope just saying. But perhaps it will all be pieced together in the games that will be following this one. This game itself is not meant to be a 10 year game. It is meant to go on for 10 years, not this one story. We haven't even got all the DLC and honestly if we all got all of that content right now. Half of us would have finished it already and being complaining about the DLC taking to long and not producing enough. Yes the game has it's own flaws. They are constantly working on upgrading this game, But did you all consider the fact that this is not going to be the last game itself? That is all. Let the flood gates open.

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            • Heyy let's make a video about Destiny but whisper so my mom doesn't hear.

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              • OMG NOOOOOOOOOO!!! THE TOWER HAD A DIFFERENT LAYOUT, AND THEY CHANGED IT??!?!?!?! Same with some strike levels? I wont stand for this, NO WAY. You cant slightly change my games level layout and not feel our wrath!!! Honestly guys, go get a life or something.

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                • Edited by GouldBerg988: 12/18/2014 6:59:03 AM
                  [quote] This post has mysteriously been removed from Reddit and the Bungie forums even when it has been reposted again and again by players. [/quote] Check your facts, nothing has been removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2hrpzx/ama_request_someone_from_bungie_or_activision_who/ckvowy2 http://www.bungie.net/ga/Forum/Post/70895980/0/0 Your whole theory about how Bungievision is the Chinese Government that opresses free spreech crumbles. Check your priorities if you seriously believe anybody who talks on an internetforum can be trusted without prove, which you do. It`s called "conjecture". You are speaking as if this 404Architect is the little brother of Ed Snowden who uncovered illegal NSA activities. Newsflash: In RL things change, its called "making compromises". Developing Games is a business like every other, there will be sometimes dissonances and conflicts in any team, so why should Bungie be different? The Problem seems to be that these youtube-Celebrities are so much removed from any "real" work (no, playing games for ad-money is no real work) that they can`t even imagine that real people have to make real decisions, that in the end could be supoptimal. In most Fanboys brain its "easy" to make a Sci-Fi-Space-Opera, with the gunplay of Destiny, the Storydepth of Mass Effect and the Mythology of Star Wars. Guess what: It`s not, but Destiny has a chance to slowly get there.

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                  • What is the purpose of this post? They aren't going to change anything, the game is shipped already

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                    • All you people calling this guy a whiner, a straight up retarded. Yes sir I am diagnosing you with Down syndrome! If you took the time to read the post, you would know he is actually asking what happened to it, not whining.

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                    • Shock horror, content of game changes from development stage to release. Even bigger shock horror, not all content is available from the launch date. You pay for a game, it gives a lot of people hundreds of hours of entertainment. Some move on, others dont. The world keeps revolving. The end.

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                    • So dont -blam!-ing play... you dont like the game stop bitching and monaning already.. -blam!-

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                      • Wow that game looks cool, when does it come out?

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                      • Anyone else notice fireteams were called squads? Appears around 14:50

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                      • Good ole fashion racism in the title

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                        • Perfectly written. Thank you.

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                        • You lost my attention with too many words. STOP DOING THAT! [spoiler]what does idk stand for?[/spoiler]

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                          • I don't quite understand the problem...if they went with every original idea the game would be crap. They ran with the first idea and decided it wasn't the direction they wanted to go so they rebuilt it. Big deal. Honestly if your that worried about things in old videos you definitely like the game and keep playing it. I know I wouldn't spend time watching all these videos just to complain if I didn't like it. GameStop buys used games. Stop wasting your time and return it.

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                            • this is getting old you know.

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                              • It's three going on four months in bro. The horse could not be any more dead, or more beaten They will never comment. There will be no statement. Accept it or move on.

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                              • Bump/|\

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                              • Nice vid ! Some of the changes are pretty minor ( tower layout etc ) but some of the things as stated that look like highly rendered finished articles are missing ? Hmmm could it have been released ? Was it gonna hold back the release date ? Was it £££ ? Who knows , but I hope we do get to see the "full" game some day even if it costs me a few extra £ :)

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                              • Smoke weed everyday

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                                • TL,DR But I don't care. I like this game a lot. Shit happens during development. Deal with it or GTFO.

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                                  • Edited by Sovereign Man: 12/18/2014 4:38:59 PM
                                    Reported for racism in the title. EDIT: also for dated reference.

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