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Edited by Ghost J34:
11/26/2014 9:57:08 PM
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Nice loot system ya got there Bungie.
http://i.imgur.com/fF9YPxu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HDBlA5y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O6sUv0k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jwThRJy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AEbgXnf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ejqPX3Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/66ceYiv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YCxumYm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YxskicU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GC0RVab.jpg
This is, quite honestly, ridiculous. Most of these are pretty recent, in fact, two of the three pictures with exotics (truth and mida) happened within the last hour or two.
You're incentivizing poor play, and that's all there is to it. This goes beyond "RNG"; I have NEVER, in over 800 crucible matches, seen the top players get a legendary, let alone an exotic. I have ALWAYS seen the bottom three players get loot, particularly legendaries and exotics. This isn't RNG - at this point, it is blatant that you offer a higher chance for better gear to players who play poorly.
Fix it. I might not deserve a legendary or exotic for a 5.0 game, but Tommy Terribad sitting at the bottom with a .5 KD, who was nothing but a detriment to the team, definitely deserves nothing as well.
Edit: It seems like this topic is going over some peoples' heads. If the loot system was truly random, there wouldn't be such a strong correlation between poor performance and being rewarded well. If the system was completely RNG, then I would notice just as many instances of people at the top of the scoreboard being rewarded well as I do at the bottom of the scoreboard - but I haven't, and the disparity isn't even close. I've never seen, in over 800 games, someone at the top of the scoreboard receive a legendary or exotic; however, as the pictures show, I've seen plenty of occasions where people at the bottom of the scoreboard receive exotics/legendaries, or cases where they'll receive some loot while the top players receive none at all.
You can choose to put your hands over your ears and continue to believe that the current system isn't weighted towards those that perform poorly, while myself and others will continue to point out the obvious, which is why this loot system receives so many complaints. People would complain far less if the system was ACTUALLY RANDOM. If it was ACTUALLY RANDOM, the correlation between bad performance and being rewarded well wouldn't be so blatant or consistent.
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2 Replieshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias Read the link, it might clear some things up for you opie, and a lot of other people too. It's a bad idea to not have weighted drops based on your performance but in almost every MMO RNG is the main way you obtain loot, why this is frustrating for anyone is beyond me, it's like this is your first time playing an MMO.
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Yes I have just as many pics to back this up also lmao it complete bullshit If you do the worst on your team the best you should be able to get is a decoherent(blue)
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If it makes you feel any better, I know how you feel. But one game, I was top player, winning team and I got Truth(the only exotic I've gotten from crucible and probably the only time I will.). It does happen; not as much as many of us would like but it happens.
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2 RepliesYep all these people arguing against you are either terrible or have barely played any games. We on the other hand having sample sizes of over 700+ games, have much more evidence to base our claims off of. Me personally? I've seen around 10 exotics drop and around 40 something legendaries. One exotic, ONE, went to the second place player below me who barely pulled positive. Every other time it's been atrocious players at the bottom 2 with K/Ds that I couldn't even achieve with my eyes closed. All the legendary drops also, went to bottom 3 players. There is obviously some correlation with doing atrocious and getting good rewards, people who argue against that are completely blind to any facts. They need to really fix this system before everyone starts rubber banding their thumb sticks together.
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I agree with you. I have never seen an exotic drop for a person that had over a 1.0 KDR. Ever. I am open to being wrong, that maybe the other random drops to good players are always just happening to other people, but I find that unlikely. It is either that Bungie has configured the RNG to favor poor performance OR that it is truly random and most people perform terribly in crucible. I think the former is more probable than the latter.
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1 Replyhttps://twitter.com/fresco_camco/status/537650944784101376
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1 ReplyI think the most plausible theory of the loot system has to do with another post I read about where they want you to explore the full game for example if you use scout rifle a lot you won't get scout rifles because you already use it but say you don't use snipers you'll get a lot of those because they want you to explore everything. The same would apply to strikes and crucible so if you play a lot of strikes and decide to play some crucible you'll get better drops in crucible to try to get you to play more crucible. Also makes sense why inexperienced crucible players would get good loot. Just my input
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I've had a kid who went afk then came back last few min and be on bottom of team get Ghorn and second to last on rumble when I came in first got last word
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i have to agree it is ridiculous, i do the raid on hard every week (except for this one, if anyone's interested send me a FR on PSN: Imstillmodern, have a save at the gate keeper) and all i get is shards, energy and chatterwhite
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1 ReplyI noticed this in the beta and started to play badly and got legendary and 1 exotic. When the iron banner came out I deliberately played super bad and got the space bus and hand cannon. I've not played the game since it came out cause I work on a ship, but my friends tell me it's just the same. Play bad get good rewards.
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1 ReplyBump. That's true. I experience this every day. This is so unfair ...
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3 RepliesI love this post. Ignore everyone saying its rng. In the end why do poor performances so often end with the best rewards. Completely disheartening for anyone who consistently does well and gets shafted by the rng system. Why not weight it so better rewards have a better chance to drop for the guu who backpacks the team instead of the guy eho often goes afk? Sure everyone purchased the game and deserved an equal shot, yet its a freaking shooter right? So if im simply better at the game than you every game/mode i should get better gear. If not,its pointless to be good.
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1 ReplyThe game would be better if the loot and raid systems were similar to WoW's
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2 RepliesI dont play much PvP, but how about you make it so that you have to do good, then let RNG decide if you get something Ex: you have to have a good Kd or top 3 on your team for you to even get RNGed
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I don't crucible as much as you, but the only 2 times I've seen an exotic drop it went to the top guy.
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How to items: Play PvP, be terrible, bathe in tears of those who carried the team.
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2 RepliesThe fact that others almost only see top players get the rewards and some only see the bottom only shows that it's random. I've mostly seen it given out to top players, the only time I've even seen low players get anything was it on banner and shit dropped constantly there anyway.
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2 Repliesyeah ive noticed this too, ive gotten exotics/legendarys but hardly ever for placing first, i know the exotics werent, got hardlight for placing 2nd in skirmish and gjallarhorn for placing last after 1 minute in a join in progress game, makes no sense tho i am pretty decent at pvp the majority of people that get rewarded are bad
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1 ReplyWhy does your profile say you've never played destiny?
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There is no doubt that Bungie's RNG loot system is terrible, because it doesn't balance risk and reward - someone can do all the work and get nothing, whereas someone else can just sit there and get free loot. However, I can understand why they did it this way - they are trying to appeal to the mass market, the casuals. If Bungie changed their loot system to a proper risk vs reward where the most skilled players got rewarded the best, what happens? The best players become even more powerful. So the gap between casuals and hardcore gets bigger. Now if it were up to me, I would say screw the casuals because i'm a hardcore gamer, but unfortunately, Bungie see it differently, and they want Destiny to cater more for the casual players...
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1 ReplyI went 32-2 the other day and was like hell yeah I'm definitely getting something good for that then bam the guy on the bottom who went 2-16 got a plan c
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1 ReplyIt's random. Your sample size isn't big enough to draw a conclusion from.
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2 RepliesI have gotten legendary/exotic rewards being the top player in those games. In fact I've never gotten anything not being in the top 2
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3 RepliesEdited by shadur321: 11/27/2014 9:13:27 AMIn my honest opinion, the bottom three players should not have a chance at legendaries or exotics. That could by my level 30 elitism talking, though.
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1 ReplyPeople like you are awfully annoying. More tears pls
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Edited by SurrealSoReal: 11/27/2014 10:16:23 AMI feel that because seeing someone dead last on the scoreboard is more significant in your mind and as a result you think you see it all the time. I know I do this sometimes. Speaking from experience, however, I have been rewarded with an exotic or legendary from placing first on the leaderboard. On maybe 2-3 occasions mind you. Got Timur's Lash that way and got a duplicate SUROS Regime that way.
