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Edited by Kangamangas:
11/22/2014 9:14:55 AM
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Are Hunters useless in Hard Raid?
So I tried my first hard raid today with a group of friends that are solid players, but we didn't even get past Templars and after a while people had to leave because it was getting late so we put it off until tomorrow
During the raid I noticed how useless my Hunter abilities that I usually use so well during any other type of gameplay such as cloak.
I found myself never using my blade dancer because I wouldn't want to get that close to the enemy because I knew I would get wrecked. So besides just killing vex with my weapons and surviving I felt relatively useless compared to a Defender Titan or other player types.
We'll be doing the raid tomorrow again and I would like to know what my fellow Hunters use to their advantage during the hard raid.
Thank you.
[Edit] : Thanks to everyone who gave advice about what I should do!
It really helps.
I'd also like to say that I never meant to use the word useless in its literal meaning I love my hunter and it's really all I use I just wanted some advice.
I'll definitely be switching to gun slinger and will work on maxing guns I know those are big issues.
Other than that thanks to everyone who commented (:
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Edited by Robnkils: 11/25/2014 9:29:30 PMgunslinger has the perfect super for taking out praetorians (mostly when you're out of heavy, or need to reload), especially because most titans and warlocks will be using their support subclass. it also takes out oracles like they're nothing, saving you time and letting your teammates focus on adds/getting out of the portal for time's vengeance. bladedancer gets you through gorgon's maze and disappearing platforms [b]easily[/b] (though not necessary). also, i personally like using handcannons in the raid as they 1-2 shot most enemies, and the gunslinger's chain of woe helps a ton so that you never have to worry about the reload time (especially if you don't yet have fatebringer). I honestly love having as many hunters as i can get in my raid groups, and if you always reject them, i highly suggest you try a raid with some skilled hunters sometime.
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Ya know blade dancer is best way to do the gatekeepers right?
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Edited by Birdman: 11/25/2014 9:30:20 PMGG for oracles and preatorians BD sucks in pve
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I think the golden gun Hunter is by far the best for the gatekeeper portion. I can solo either portal for the relic within a matter of seconds(fast enough that I don't need the portal held open outside). Aside from that is a great Oracle killer.
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If u can't even get past the Templar u just have a crap group
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1 ReplyYeah hunters are useless, that's why the 2 man hard raid was a hunter and warlock right?
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Don't really need to rely on supers in raid. Titan defender is somewhat useful for atheon fight, but that's about it. The offensive supers are really only good for crowd dispersal, but nothing guns couldn't handle.
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2 RepliesCatching up on Oracles if you fall behind with GG. Clearing Supps if some of the "outside" players are down with GG. I personally think triple jump give better control of the Relic ground pound as well.
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8 RepliesEdited by Spunky1993: 11/25/2014 5:39:00 PMlike many are saying, oracles. It puts me at ease when there's a hunter in my raid group, because i know that at least ONE guy besides me will be killing oracles/supplicants ^.^ Golden gun saves lives.
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If there trying to cheese then they will pick a warlock or titan over a hunter. If there a good group that wants to get it done quickly then they will bring anyone who can do there job right. With that being said sunsingers and defenders have raid saving abilities were the hunter does not. That in no way means a decent W/T would be picked over a great hunter.
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Edited by Pure Potential: 11/25/2014 6:26:59 PMA competent Gunslinger is probably one of the most [b]useful[/b] classes to have with you in the Raid. Hunters are not good when it comes to cheesing the bosses however. Achlyophage Symbiote is great when it comes to the Atheon encounter.
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Sad to say because some of my friends/group mates are hunters.. But yes they bring nothing to the table.
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Bladedancer is useless in raid. Gunslinger is beast in raid. Can kill all hobgoblins or first 3-4 oracles in left and in right can kill minotaur or first oracles. Good for taking out supplicants and clearing mobs before that point
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Nope, turn on golden gun and destroy oracles. Your team will love you for how fast it gets done. Your entire team will be shooting atheon with 23+ seconds on times vengeance. You'll be done in 2 warps everytime
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Great at running the relic and the best at oracle duty.
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NOPE I KICK ASS BUT I KNOW HOW TO DO IT ALL VERY WELL
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Blade dancer is for PvP only. You should be rocking Gunslinger 99.9% of the time. I invited a random to do hard (Atheon) and he was a hunter. We get teleported I grab relic and I notice he is shooting the oracles with a scout rifle. We succumb to oracles. I look at his gear and he's using an under leveled purple scout rifle and he's using blade dancer. I ask if he has a better gun and if he could switch to Gunslinger. He then leaves the fire team. If people don't have strong weapons I'll usually ask them to use golden gun during times vengeance and kill all the supplicants so nobody dies when they jump out of the bubble.
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Edited by Kuronak: 11/25/2014 5:47:35 PMThey aren't the most optimal for the raid, I won't lie considering they seem to be a pvp class whilst Warlocks and Titans have 2 subclasses that split the usefulness in pvp and pve ( Pve being Sunsinger and Defender while voidwalkers and strikers for pvp) But that being said hunters really shine in 2 main aspects of the raid. 1 They can kill oracles really fast with GG and I cannot tell you how many times a hunter has been a deciding factor in the Atheon fight simply by taking out Oracles and Supplicants. So they may be pvp based but they certainly are very helpful in Pve. Useless? Far from it.
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Try Gunslinger with armour geared towards discipline for more grenade usage
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Edited by Undefined: 11/25/2014 5:40:51 PMI doubt they are...for the first time someone shoved me into "protecting mars/venus" duty during the gatelord/relic checkpoint, and took someone who was 3 levels lower than me through the gates (and also a first timer on the raid) just because they were a gunslinger. Guy requesting for the lvl 26 repeated the term "goldengun" about three times or so...I was using a warlock and I'm usually assigned with relic duty. If hunters were indeed useless, the above would never happen.
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Class does not matter. Your special lasts for a few seconds no matter the class. The only special I see that matters is defenders with weapons of light and even that isn't NEEDED. The raid is clear able using no specials therefore it doesn't matter about the class. Reviving isn't necessary either. It's a crutch more than anything.
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No. If you think about it only weapons are important, class not so much. Grenades are almost exclusively used for cheesing, and the only really useful super is a weapons of light specced defender. Selfress shouldnt be necessary and tends to make players reckless (myself included). Since other supers are only useful for taking out groups (which is just as easily done by a rocket launcher) or single targets (bladedance is useless, gunslingers at least easily take down a few oracles). Whats left, jump and melee?
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How about going invisible while soloing either portal to perfection cause I'm a -blam!-ing boss suckas! Imo the human playing the hunter has to be truly skilled to be successful. I do agree in terms of raiding it is way harder for a hunter, you don't have a safety valve or fail safe like a self-res or a bubble to save your ass when u are in a tight spot. And in the crucible you don't have a cheese dick panic button like a lock or Titan to kill the single person at racing you (props to the people who wipe multiple people while using them). And don't give me that blade dancer is op crap. I've been killed alot while using it and killed a bunch of hunters while they used it, fusion rifle to the dicks face!
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Edited by VlRGlL0: 11/25/2014 4:58:56 PMGunslingers are useful against the oracles If a blade dancer doesn't switch subclasses they get booted
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Edited by Chandorraa: 11/25/2014 4:52:13 PMHunter is good for a few things in the raid, here are a number that I can think of. 1) Holding the relic while everyone else pushes the Templar off. 2) Use golden gun to help with Oracles or killing that stupid Minotaur when teleported to Venus. 3) Going invisible through the Gorgan maze. 4) Blade dance across the jumping bit.
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Hunter are more geared for PvP, the titan is made to be a support role in PvE. Make a Titan. Join us.
