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Lawsuit to remove "under God" from pledge

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/19/lawsuit-challenges-under-god-in-pledge-of-allegiance/19295203/]here[/url] [quote] FREEHOLD, N.J. — A New Jersey judge is poised to decide whether a atheist group can move forward with its challenge to the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Monmouth County Superior Court Judge David Bauman said he will decide shortly whether to grant the Matawan-Aberdeen Regional School District's request to dismiss a lawsuit filed against it by the American Humanist Association, a Washington, D.C., group that is seeking to bar use of the words phrase in the daily recitation of the pledge in the school district. Bauman on Wednesday heard arguments from both sides. Joining the school district in its effort to have the lawsuit thrown out were lawyers for the Knights of Columbus, the American Legion, and the Becket Fund, a Washington, D.C., group that promotes religious freedom. The American Humanist Association, which works to protect the rights of atheists and other nonreligious groups, filed the lawsuit against the school district in April on behalf of a family with a child in the school system. The lawsuit claims that the practice of acknowledging God in the pledge of allegiance discriminates against atheists, in violation of the New Jersey Constitution. The family and the child on whose behalf the lawsuit has been filed have not been named. David B. Rubin, attorney for the school district, said he is aware of the identity of the family and has confirmed the child is a student in the district, but he said he is under court order not to disclose their identities. Rubin said he is seeking to have the lawsuit dismissed on several grounds, the first of which is the fact that New Jersey law requires daily recitation of the pledge in the state's schools. Despite that, individual students are not required to participate in the pledge, he said. For that reason, Rubin said, the plaintiff's claim of a civil rights violation is unfounded because there is no differential treatment of anyone by the government. "There's not been a requirement or a prohibition from doing anything,'' Rubin said. David Niose, the attorney representing the Humanist Association, said that even though students are not required to participate in the pledge, inclusion of the words "under God'' makes it divisive. "It paints one group as quintessential patriots and the other group as second-class citizens," he said. He said the pledge differs from other school activities that some might find objectionable in that it is an exercise that is performed daily from pre-kindergarten through 12th grade. The Humanist Society brought a similar case earlier this year in Massachusetts, but that state's highest court ruled recitation of the pledge is not discriminatory because it is voluntary. Niose told Bauman on Wednesday that he thought the Massachusetts court was "simply wrong." Meanwhile, Rubin said federal courts have not recognized the Pledge of Allegiance as a religious exercise, even though a reference to God is in it. "It's simply a recognition of the undeniable, historical fact that religion played an important role in the formation of this country and the development of our government institutions,'' he said. The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, but the words "under God" were not added until 1954.[/quote] What do you all think? Care? Don't care? Stupid lawsuit? Give your thoughts

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  • Edited by Serin Palmer: 11/25/2014 5:40:27 PM
    The Pope is an Illuminati Reaper We need to begin mass producing Tin Foil Fedoras beforre he uses the satiltite dishes he built under the Jesus Camps to indoctrinate us and turn us into Intolerant Redneck Conservatives

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  • Take it out, but when Christmas rolls around everybody should have to go to work. It's funny how you don't want to believe in god but if you get a couple of days off, it's all good no harm no foul. People suck.

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  • "Just don't say it." is an awful argument. It shouldn't be in the pledge at all. It implies that the US Government supports one religion over all others. Since God is capitilized, it becomes a proper noun referring to the Christian God. You cannot say it is a seperation of church and state, when your very pledge condones one religion in particular. If you want to say it, go ahead, but it shouldn't be in the source template that every American child is indoctrinated with. The Founding Fathers would be sickened with what America has become. News outlets aren't news, they are uneducated reporters doing opinion pieces on topics they having no business talking. We prize getting the correct answer in school over knowhing to get an answer. Our gun rights and militias have been severely restricted. We owe trillions in debt to foreign nations we aren't even allied with. We protect a nation because of it's religious beliefs, and we have to have lawsuits kver something that shouldn't have existed in the first place. All the people supporting it being in the pledge can't even comprehend the environment they support our government to run in.

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    • It's stupid. I am in no way a religious person, but that line has been there since a time when that was acceptable.

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      • I am not a churchgoer, but I will not change the words to satisfy some as$hat. Its freedom of speech, not censoring something that you do not agree with.

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        • Atheism is a lack of religion. It isn't a religion.

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          • It should never have been added in the 50s in the first place as a reaction to communism.

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          • Edited by Inspectorfreely: 11/25/2014 12:28:27 PM
            Why can't atheists just omit the word? Are they that butt hurt over a word? I bet the people who what God taken out of the pledge, also are the people who wish that Christmas and Easter was called something else. -blam!-, at my school, instead of Good Friday and Easter weekend, they call it nonattendance days. That just sounds really -blam!-ing stupid. These type of atheists make all others atheists look like a bunch of whining pussies.[spoiler]sorry for posting this 4 times. Phone didn't look like it could post[/spoiler]

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            • Lawsuit for RBG bullshit & Raid glitchs now that would be awesome!

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              • Wasn't put in till the 50s. Maybe we should go back to original. There has been several changes since then.

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                • We're absolutely fcked

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                • Politics, how tiresome. That's the Truth.

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                  • Liberals are cancer

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                    • Edited by IRA PRIE5T: 11/25/2014 3:45:59 PM
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                      • As an atheist, this is dumb. Cry about things that actually matter. Like why my master chief collection is still broken! Dam you 343!!!

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                        • Ugh. Is it really that much of a nuisance to people?

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                          • Tis all silly. But good cancer thread. Goodness Look at some of these comments >-<

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                          • This is called "nitpicking"

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                          • You know what. This is a song made for our country. And many of us still believe in god. Personally I'm atheist. But I love all of our songs dedicated to our country.

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                          • >You don't need to even say the pledge >Don't see the point

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                            • I think people should spend their time actually trying to contribute and advance society, instead of getting caught up in legalities and traditions that essentially mean nothing. If it pains you so much to say the word god in away that even metaphorically acknowledges god's existence, don't look at it as "god": a magical sky being, or all powerful creator, ect. look at god in this context as an ideal for humanity to strive for, goodwill, what ever you please.

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                            • Why can't atheists just omit the word? Are they that butt hurt over a word? I bet the people who what God taken out of the pledge, also are the people who wish that Christmas and Easter was called something else. -blam!-, at my school, instead of Good Friday and Easter weekend, they call it nonattendance days. That just sounds really -blam!-ing stupid. These type of atheists make all others atheists look like a bunch of whining pussies.

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                              • Edited by Inspectorfreely: 11/25/2014 12:29:29 PM
                                Why can't atheists just omit the word? Are they that butt hurt over a word? I bet the people who what God taken out of the pledge, also are the people who wish that Christmas and Easter was called something else. -blam!-, at my school, instead of Good Friday and Easter weekend, they call it nonattendance days. That just sounds really -blam!-ing stupid. These type of atheists make all others atheists look like a bunch of whining pussies.[spoiler]ignore this one. Meant to post once but phone posted 4 times[/spoiler]

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                              • We only put in,"under god" because it was used to piss off the commies(soviet Russia was mostly atheists).

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                              • Ah, the pledge that is forced upon many young children throughout the US. It doesn't teach them right or wrong, merely that their country is always right. Good 'ol blind nationalism. Funny how people aren't complaining to remove "liberty and justice for all" from the pledge as well, seeing as there are still people being treated as second-class citizens there, even by law.

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                                • They need to remove it. Same with "In God we trust" on American currency.

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