My main problem with destiny is the players. I don't care if things are over powered, I don't care if there are glitches, I don't care if things work. All that can be fixed and slowly worked on to make a better game. Console players is what I hate about destiny. I've been a console player my whole life, never changed never will. But console players don't understand what an MMO or MMO like game is. Destiny is foremost an FPS with MMO characteristics. With the gameplay of an FPS but loot tables and experiences of an MMO. An MMO is supposed to have grinding, farming, random loot, and hard content. 90% of the fan base has whined about what makes these games so great. Farming & grinding: A key point in any MMO, the farming and grinding in destiny is no where near as bad as popular MMO's. It's what makes the games fun. Taking hours upon hours, days upon days, sometimes even weeks to work towards that one things you've been trying so hard to get. When you finally get it you are relieved beyond compare, the sense of accomplishment is amazing. But in destiny everyone complains it takes to long, people are cheating by loot caves and mob spawn farming. That's what it is supposed to be like! Engrams: Before the patch, getting a legendary engram was an amazing feeling, thinking you can't wait to go back to the tower to see what loot you have stumbled upon. Yes it was a sad time when you got a blue from it, but that's what made it so good. It made you want another and another and another until you finally got that legendary piece that you probably can't even use but who cares! It's a damn legendary! People expected these to be handed to them because you barely ever got anything from them. After the patch things got worse, legendaries were guaranteed, people were happy... For awhile. The patch was good and bad, one because you were guaranteed legendaries but also bad because that took away the sense of accomplishment. The worst was the fact people got upset that legendary engrams weren't guaranteed from the crypt arch. They were never a definite but was a high chance. Since then everyone has complained. You were given guaranteed legendaries from the engrams but got upset because you couldn't get them as often! That takes away all the challenge, that takes away all the excitement! What's the point of playing a game where nothing is exciting. Challenges: very few in the game at the moment. Probably the only things were the hard raid and some bounties. The bounties in the iron banner were a challenge. They were actually challenging. But due to people complaining they have made them easier as well. What is the point of a game if there is nothing hard to work for or achieve? Raid: meant to be the most challenging, most difficult but most rewarding instance in the game so far. I remember when it first came out, guns were found, armour was obtained, bosses were destroyed. All in the path of eager players wanting the best gear possible. Only for everything to be considered OP? Mythoclast, yes I have three of these beautiful guns, two legit and the other one cheesed. I obtained my first one before the patch, when it was a force of destruction. Players did not stand a chance against it, it ruined lives and friendships. It needed a nerf it did. But not how much it did, not how much everyone complained about it. It was supposed to be the gun of the game, the unobtainable and the destroyer of everything. Everyone complained because they couldn't get it themselves which has happened to everything. There are lots about this game people don't understand, it's supposed to take forever and things are not supposed to be given to you. Some things are over powered but you can always work around it if you used your head. My main argument is this. Console players shouldn't play games like this if they aren't ready for it. Every game we get given everything in like COD, Battlefield, majority of shooters and RPGS. Those games just levelling up gave you everything, this game you must put time and effort into. The game is going to get much better, bungie will slowly learn and improve. I love consoles and I'm a 100% console player, but they need to learn not everything is handed to them. Can't wait for even 1 person to say how wrong I am.