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10/22/2014 3:22:40 PM
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Why aren't Warlocks overpowered?

So, with all the time I have spent reading post about Titans and Hunters being OP, I hardly ever see people complaining about Warlocks being OP. Personally I think all the classes are on par with each other. Just wondering where all the complaining on Warlocks are. I feel left out almost.

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  • Everybody is overpowered when it comes to supers.

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  • Every special is a panic button.. lol your argument is valid but only because you aren't seeing the whole picture. Of course you aren't going to be stupid and START your special while being shot at, because you are the only class that doesn't get a defense boost.. The gunslinger gets the throwing knife, arguably the worst melee in the game.. and also gets some of the worst grenades.. to compliment that half of your skills incease the effectiveness of your special.. this class and the sunsinger are the only two classes that gain an additional throwable weapon. The bladedancer has abilities that force it to be in close proximity to people, which is why it gets blink strike. but, like you said, it requires some skill because you can be deadly but you are also vulnerable.. again, more of your skills in either subclass help with your special more than any other class in the game. The sunsingerget's two grenades and the best melee..it can revive, and it's special is as good as the Defenders because you get just as much of an overshield as armor of light except you can still shoot with it active. Also, like the defender except better, the sunsinger get's an overshield for HITTING someone with their melee (flame shield), whereas the Defender has to KILL someone to get the same effect (disintegrate). The void walker has the 2nd best melee, get's blink which is a skilled man's shoulder charge, and it's entire class is built around it's melee energy drain which reduces the cooldown of their grenade..also it has the greatest grenade, axion bolt. the Strikers greatest PvP ability is obviously shoulder charge, but one thing most people don't realize is that if you choose shoulder charge you don't get enhanced defense during FOH which means it's not nearly the panic button everyone makes it out to be.. especially considering the voidwalkers special is the same thing except it has range, and every other special usually ends with 3-4 kills where the Striker would have to get all those kills at once, every other class can get them overtime. The Defender gets flash bang grenades, which really are great if you're playing as a team.. or if you are doing the raid.. they also get a bubble shield which is useless for PvP unless you're playing against idiots.. The defender's entire build is shaped towards helping allies more so than helping the Defender because the greatest abilities the defender possesses are passive ones..THUS, requiring more gun skill than any other class. As an aside, I'd like to point out that every single human being I've talked to about this game agrees, this is the consensus view.. the only people that disagree are people on this god forsaken forum who want to argue that their class isn't as good as it should be... most of them are balanced, but the plan was supposed to be for the Hunter to have the best specials but not get many because their abilities aren't as good; the Warlock get the best grenades, but have a weak melee and below average special; and the titan was supposed to have the best melee, but what ended up happening IF you watched as the game progressed: the hunter's special got buffed because the warlock was too powerful, and the defenders bubble shield wasn't strong enough so they buffed that as well.. neither buff fixed any problems. They also made hand cannons a primary instead of a secondary..and they got rid of "secondaries" all together and replaced them with "special weapons"

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    • I was under the impression that most people, including myself, considered Warlocks to be the most powerful class. Maybe we've been reading different threads. I don't think the difference is so substantial that it requires balancing, though I'm pretty sure Warlock is the class that has the lesser cons, compared to pros.

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    • Seeing a lot of "warlocks are the ones crying" I am a warlock, so don't throw away all your apples because of one or two sour ones. ALL OF THE CLASSES ARE THE SAME, besides bladedancer, no one likes those guys

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      • The -blam!-ing infinite range shield melee is bullshit. The fusion grenade that -blam!-ing locks on to you from like 5 feet away and sticks you is bullshit. Warlocks shotgun melee is bullshit. I actually have a lot of complaints about every class but don't usually voice them because it's pointless and I would never ask for these to be nerfed.

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      • People complain about sunsingers revive ability. And voidwalkers "panic" Nova bomb.

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        • I like being a Warlock, it may not be OP, but the gameplay style attributed to the subclasses are great!

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        • Truth is, no matter how powerful the warlocks abilities, the fact is that they are the most fragile character in the game (lowest armor/HP). If you’re going to make a class run around with half the HP of another class you better give them some amazing skills to go along with it. -They are the Glass Cannon- All in all I’m happy that Warlocks are more offensively powerful. If they weren’t who would play a class that has a weaker defense with no offensive edge? Personally I prefer the Titan. I run Defender with Codex I & IV for maximum armor/recovery rating at the cost of speed. The way I figure it Armor>Recovery>Agility I say this because Agility & Movement speed are easily picked up on Weapons (MIDA) and Recovery only helps you move between battles faster it shouldn’t really help you win a fire fight unless you opponent sux and lets you pop in and out of cover without finding some for themself.

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          • Edited by MafiaNoFear: 10/25/2014 7:20:11 AM
            I play mostly as a Warlock. Secretly i think they're a little OP, but I'm certainly not going to cry nerf in the forums.

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          • No one's complaining because they're not OP? They're perfectly balanced... Why start this?

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            • A void warlock in PvE is godly in the amount of carnage they can cause.

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              • Edited by TtargetPractice: 10/24/2014 2:03:52 PM
                Warlocks are the most OP of all, if only because they require very little skill on the part of the player to achieve the same level of effectiveness as other classes which require more skill. More or less skill is quantified by how many variables you have to consider at any given time when accomplishing a specific task. The reason you don't see too many warlock is OP threads is that most of the "X is OP" threads are created by the same type of gamer who would use a class like warlock. They look for the easiest, most powerful abilities at the cost of versatility, and can not cope with being outplayed by a better player using a weaker, more versatile game mechanic.

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                • The one thing that balances out all of the Warlock's amazing powers is the fact their armor and recovery are the lowest of all classes. As a Hunter who specializes in "field medic" stealth revives, I pick up more Warlocks than anyone else.

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                  • Because, in thier hearts, titans and hunters know we are the master race. Also, we'll happily stick a ball of star matter to thier face or delete them from the universe if they start shit.

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                  • Coming from a Hunter, Warlock melee is so OP. You can hit someone from a couple feet away. When i made a warlock I was addicted to meleeing because I could hit them from above average distance

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                  • Maybe cuz they a bit OP but everyone loves warlocks and keep this on the down low.

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                  • Warlocks are annoying as sunbros

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                  • Honestly the classes are all pretty balanced but people who sweat over the crucible have to find something to blame whenever they die. Because it could never be their fault, that's impossible.

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                    • Edited by Bl4ckout216: 10/24/2014 4:07:46 PM
                      NE class I don't use is op bungie nurf now!!!!!

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                    • Edited by eridian: 10/22/2014 8:04:42 PM
                      Warlock literally has no bad grenades. And sunsinger is op as -blam!- in pvp. Titan has the bubble which any super can kill you in, or if more then 2 people come in, or just 2 with shotguns to kill you. And the magnetic grenade doesn't always stick even on direct hits, and the striker only has one good grenade and that's the lightning one, the flash bang doesn't blind long enough in my opinion. So on the OP scale, I would say warlock is in front, hunter in mid, and titan is last, mainly because hunter has blade dancer which is pretty powerful and golden gun which is long range insta kills.

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                      • Why would a character that can spawn with two homing grenades and resurrect themselves after losing be overpowered? It's not like we can simply melee you to get over shields. The warlock's resurrection into a one hit kill melee with seemingly infinite grenade spam is underpowered if anything. But arcblade is totally overpowered.

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                        • I don't think there are any warlocks in the top 10. We are the worse class. The only reason people think we are good is because our grenades can push, so can titans. In PVP sunsinger is pointless unless you like dying twice in the space of a few seconds and voidwalker is basically a one or two time kill per match. Titans get a bubble which is unbeatable unless you save your super to deal with it in which case you spend the whole match getting no kills waiting for a Titan to throw up the bubble and bladedancer is just OP'd as hell.

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                        • Dude literally the last 7 days were hunters crying about our warlock Grenades , Melee, Self revive cuz we were the most wanted for Hard raids

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                          • I know right, the fact I can jump in the middle of the enemy taking a flag, kill one and then get killed, only to revive myself and blow everyone up with grenades and shotgun haha. But on a serious note, I do think the classes are all fine how they are. I think hunters are over used, but not op

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                            • Yeah, your grenades are ridiculous. That's the only thing I can think of to cry about.

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                            • Edited by sirkdinh: 10/22/2014 8:31:17 PM
                              Because they drop quickly. Their supers are straight forward & don't annoy the shit out of you.

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