Shot guns really are not that overpowered, a little bit of range on the person and it renders it nearly useless.
The main problem is the maps, the maps cater to shotguns so we'll, that it makes them OP, hence the reason nearly everyone you see In crucible is using one.
They already nerfed the shotgun once (which kinda ruined its viability in pve), yet still the vast majority of people still use it because it's still the most optimal weapon.
A solution would be to make maps bigger, but as I'm sure most would agree, the bigger maps are not as fun (unless your on a vehicle, or sniping). Enemies are too spaced out, battles seem less intense, and occur less frequently.
So the only other solution I can think of is simply to remove the shotguns from pvp.
Now before people start commenting, please no trolling, or just being a dick in general.
We are all adults here (atleast I hope we are) let's act as such.
The usual arguments against not nerfing the shotgun, is something along the lines of "it's not OP, your just stupid for charging at me".
The problem with this argument, is that most I see with shotguns, don't camp in corners, they literally run at people, closing distance very quickly, then one shot kill you.
Over all I think they should remove shotguns from pvp (or only allow them in iron banner), and I also think they should reverse the nerf if not buff shotguns, making them a viable option in pve.
I would love to hear your feedback and suggestions.
Edit 1: In an attempt to "put up or shut up", I decided to use the shot gun myself, just to prove I'm not one of those people who claim OP yet if they were to use it them selves, they would suck.
I just used a shotgun for 3-4 games, still doing it.
Every single game my KD was [b]REALLY[/b] high.
One game I even got a 11KD, mind you, I'm not even really "trying".
I'm just shooting anyone I see, and they die, it's that easy.
Mind you, non of this is "luck", [b]every single game[/b] (total of five games right now) have [b]very[/b] high KDS.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA yeah like they are gonna listen to you, I love the shotgun especially invective in pvp due to its auto fire, it's a close quarter weapon and if you come between its sights it does what it's designed to do. Pucker up and don't get in its way. You can run or you can just get a shotgun yourself and balance it out.
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Edited by klaminite: 10/20/2014 10:30:43 AMI disagree with removing the shotgun entirely however the shotguns and fusion rifles could use a range reduction OR damage reduction nerf in PvP. If you disagree with me than place your argument in the reply section of this comment.
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I don't think removing the shotgun is the answer. True it is a powerful weapon in close quarters combat and one shot one kill is good / bad pending on your style of play. Expanding maps could be the answer to accommodate more playing styles. I use it sometimes so can see both sides to your suggestion but banning I think to extreme, personally.
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So let's remove snipers and fusion rifles, I don't see the point in taking away shotguns the game would become unbalanced plus people will move onto fusion rifles, then people would complain so they'll remove them then people will use snipers and guess what more complaints so they'll get removed and so on until nothing is left. This is not hate but just my opinion so don't take it the wrong way.
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Your a moron.
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Sry but removing a weapon in a shooter is ridicolous
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Remove OP from the game!
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If you got 11 kid using one why are you complaining
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Edited by LeeFX: 10/20/2014 9:01:33 AMI think they should ban all weapons in pvp and you all have to run round and punch f u c k in each other! What do you think about that then....
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So you're saying that all shotguns should be completely banned from matchmaking because they are strong due to the fact that the maps have lots of areas where they are efficient? I think that isn't really a good idea. That's like saying snipers should be taken out of the game (if the maps had lots of big open areas that a lot of the action occurs). It's just not logical. Rather than your idea, i'd propose they redesign the maps a lot bit to make some of the more open parts of the map more used and influential. It would make pvp have more to it than general close quarters fighting, allowing all weapons to have equal opportunity. What I mean by using the open areas more, is by putting objectives and such at those places, as for example, nearly every control point is placed in a more confined area of the map, forcing a lot of the combat to occur at these closer ranged areas.
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Keep shotguns!
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Remove the second P from PvP. Those damn P's keep killing me. Sorry I'm bored at work and on the app.
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Feed me your tears scrub
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Nothing should be removed. I agree about map size though. They are all too small. I hope future DLC maps are bigger. First light is my favorite map by far. Shores of time is a really good small map. Bastion is really a small map in disguise. There is so much wasted space.
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They should do the if every guns op, none are. Then everyone kills and dies equally
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Special ammo needs to be more rare. I don't give a flying Hermes about needing shotguns, just reduce special ammo to the point where people have to use their primaries from time to time.
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maybe fusion rifle also
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No !!! Simple as that stop messing with the guns learn to play around them. Bunch of bitchy little girls .
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Saint Rosa
Disappointing teammates since '94 - old
I disagree, shotguns are fun to use and a necessity for a complete PvP experience. Although, I do agree with you that there's a need for more medium/large maps. Another solution is to drop [i]special ammo boxes[/i] every 1½ or 2 minutes, and begin the round of the game with no special ammo. -
I think the nerf is perfect, it isn't as easy to kill someone, it actually takes skill now, which has royal f***ed over several noobs in pvp. And they're not underpowered on pve
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Edited by SerpentVI: 10/20/2014 4:57:14 AMI hate to see you guys try to understand and use shotguns in real life. Yeah I know this is a video game and all that jazz. However it would be fun watching you selecting the gauge(s), choke types and shell sizes. Some of you would try to use it at 75 yards. Some of you would use it properly at 20 to 30 yards with the proper gauge and shell sizes. Some of you might even figure you can get a 40 yard shot. Others would attempt to fire a 2 3/4" shell in a 2 1/2" chamber or a 3 3/4" shell in a 3 1/2 chamber. It's all about the choke and shell selection. Oh well.
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Imo the balance needs a complete rework, but banning certain weapons starts a bad precedent. If they do that then people will call for it on the next FOTM weapon. Likewise if they simply make more open maps then snipers and fusion rifles will dominate. So you kinda need to pick your poison.
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Well the reason they're such an optimal weapon now is because they nerfed the crap outa everything else... The only thing they did to the shotties was decrease range (which doesn't really do much considering its a SHOTGUN, I don't know many people who would try to go against an AR user with a shotgun at mid-range)
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Edited by Ebonyjackal: 10/20/2014 3:45:40 AMI disagree. I don't mind shotguns being in the game. What I believe would be a good idea is lowering either the ammo capacity you can carry (like heavies), or lowering the frequency of ammo spawns. Make the primary weapons the PRIMARY weapon. 'Special' secondary weapons are special for a reason, the fact that people can run around using it as a primary is ridiculous. Any game on earth you play, every secondary weapon has a much lower damage output, lower ammo capacity, etc etc. it's supposed to be your 2nd 'go to weapon'. "Oh I ran out of ammo for my rifle and the enemy is closing in fast, it would be much easier to swap out to my secondary for a quick shot so I'm not completely helpless." I just don't think a secondary 'special' weapon should be used as a primary
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Edited by Killa Tony: 10/20/2014 3:20:19 AMI usually always use my rare fusion rifle over my legendary shotgun because I feel I do better and it's more fun to use but I don't care whatever I get killed by. I'm happy they nerfed the range on the shotguns but the only annoying thing is that netcode.... Let me add that I usually am always at the top of the leaderboards, not a scrub