Atheon Hard mode strategy. The hard part is getting here.

i never needed an oracle weapon or rocket launcher for the raid, on normal or hard. an autorifle works just fine on the oracles. wtf is an oracle weapon anyhow?

lmao. Destroy hard mode? Seriously? Oh no, I can't push him off anymore!! No, now we will just see who can actually play the game. And maybe won't be seeing every single LFG post about needing a warlock.

Patches mAke you play the game the way it's supposed be played and enjoyed. Also my auto has oracle bonus. I could do either one so your post is useless.

I can't quit laughing at the scrubbies complaining about the random teleport. If you're not able to carry out each role within the raid, you should not step into the VOG. People complain about the RNG system because they "are not getting gear to drop". I think the system is great. It prevents everyone to be handed level 30. I agree some people have put hard work and time into this game and not recieved the rewards they desired, but keep going it will drop sooner or later. I usually run the relic ( usually because people don't like to, they'd rather sit outside and shoot a couple of flying triangles ),, and although I enjoy "my part of the VOG" it's going to be nice that the raid won't depend on the same 3 individuals. You would actually have to work as a team of 6, rather than 3, and 3 robots. I mean come on, how hard is it to stand on a pillar, open a portal and kill supplicants, let's be real people. It's quite amusing when I join raids and ask who's coming into the portal and either no ones talks, and says "well I'm not very good in the portal", or " I'd just rather be outside I'm more comfortable there ". Not trying to sound cocky, but I can run every spot required to complete the VOG flawlessly and you know why? I didn't sit back with a beer in my hand while others did the work. I got my ass into the raid and switched up my spots, so if I had to join a random raid I could cover any role needed. Attitudes change quick when someone removes you from your comfort zone hub? Did everyone forget, this isn't a MMO, we don't have tanks, dps and healers, everyone has the means to play every position requires to complete a raid. Quit complaining like a bunch of babies and expecting gear to be easily handed out. Quit crying because you think the raid might be to hard to complete. It's individuals that want a raid to be easy that ruins the raid experience.

Ok as far as random teleporting goes, all you need is 4 people who know how to use the relic. That way at least one person will be able to grab the relic as fast as possible to keep the run going smoothly and efficiently. The guys on the outside (supplicant crew) can look at their radar to figure out which portal to open. And as for your problem with not being able to swap weapons fast enough, I know it's a problem with Destiny's gear swapping, as you have to press pause and wait for the items to load and sometimes that can take a minute or two, way too long and you'll either be killed or wipe the team because of it. So here's the solution to that: Use your Destiny Companion app. I don't know if you can change your weapons on the website, but on your app you can go to your Legend, swipe over to the Gear tab, and if you tap on a gun, you can swap gear out instantly. You can keep your phone or iPod or tablet in your lap and in the second or two it takes you to teleport, swap guns. I'm sure you can swap all three guns by the time the first oracle spawns. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to play, I'm just trying to help offer solutions to popular problems. Hope these ideas help.

Needless to say with all this new patch that forces randomized gameplay there is no reasons not having an optional in-game random matchmaking.

I'm gonna copy-and-paste a post I made in another thread explaining why I think the randomization is not gonna be that bad and hopefully more people will see it in this thread (perhaps even Dee-J). My other post is already lost in the entrails of the forum. I have to laugh when I read the comments protesting against Atheon's new randomized teleporting and making it sound as though it'll make the fight a near impossibility. That might be the case if your team is comprised of underachieving dullards who are incapable of multi-tasking and adapting to new situations but for my team who can think on their feet and are adept at performing multiple roles it shouldn't pose a significant problem. It's straightforward really. The three players that get teleported do a quick head-count, the preferred player picks up the relic, the other two do damage to the mob with heavy weapons (or their supers they saved from 'Time Vengeance'), switch their attention to the oracles and the relic holder cleans-up. To avoid any confusion as to who picks up the relic your team could designate themselves with numbers (the lowest being the person most efficient with the relic) and as soon as you get teleported you simply call out your number and immediately the player with the lowest number will know to pick up the relic. That might save your team valuable seconds. As for the players outside, fending off the Supplicants is an easy job that any player worth their salt should be able to do. The arguments that this new randomized teleporting will scupper strategy are totally ridiculous to my mind. All it means is that you'll have to adjust your strategy and become more well-rounded players to deal with all eventualities. Does your team usually have a Titan that goes into the portal to blind the mob? Are the players outside Warlocks that revive themselves if things get out of hand? That's all nice, but all characters can perform all roles. If you're adequately prepared with the right gear, have good team communication, and are a skilful player, the randomized teleporting shouldn't be the insurmountable problem people here are making it out to be. And it will have one positive: players won't waste time by running to the back of the room to get spawned and miss out on dealing a few more seconds of damage to Atheon. Furthermore the argument below my post that the "raid should have predictability" is equally as ridiculous. Why should the raid have predictability? To make it easier for you? You don't like being taken out of your comfort-zone? Predictability usually leads to boredom. I don't want that in a videogame. I suspect that the majority of people up-in-arms against the randomized teleporting are either upset that acquiring the best gear is now going to be a lot more difficult and take more skill and communication (like Bungie originally intended as anyone who reads their statements of the raid before the game was released can appreciate) and such an increase in difficulty probably just seems too overwhelming for them because they know their team aren't well-rounded enough to deal with it or they've just mindlessly jumped on the 'let's-bash-Bungie-some-more' bandwagon. Bungie are asking you guys to become better players and at least now the people who beat the raid on hard and get the Mythoclast will have truly earned the weapon. They won't have sat outside for the entire duration intermittently taking pot-shots at Atheon from a safe-spot, doing only half the work as the relic holder and being rewarded the same. Every player now is forced to pull their weight and players who want to be piggy-backed will get a rude awakening. Yes, the fight will be much harder and you can no longer rely on your established methods, and even though certain characters excel at certain roles all characters are capable of performing any role. That means regardless of what role you get put into, as long as you and your team know how to perform that role, you should have no trouble beating Atheon. And if your team isn't good enough, just search until you find one that is. The raid on hard was never intended to be beaten by every man and his dog, only the best teams will succeed. And that is how it should be. The post here by OHBMAJORV saying that 'Real gamers know what they want' and the developers have 'zero clue about enjoyable experiences' I think is way off the mark. In my experience players do not even know why they enjoy playing videogames to begin with. They've never sat down and given it any real thought. They'll say that the 8-hour story in games are awful and ruined their enjoyed when they've clocked up 200 hours in multi-player and they'll cheat by increasing their badass rank in games like Borderlands to insane levels making themselves near-invulnerable while killing everything in one-shot, as many of my friends did. Of course it might have been enjoyable to kill everything in one-shot for the first few hours, but soon inevitable boredom sets in when they realise they aren't being challenged anymore, then they stop playing the game. The majority of gamers don't know what 'fiero' is, they don't understand feedback systems in games, or have the faintest clue how voluntary participation in games work. If the majority of gamers had it their way they would probably want access to cheats to make things easier and less of a grind without understanding that forgoing the challenge also forgoes the psychological pay-off they feel when they overcome difficult challenges. When quizzed on how he would improve on Dark Souls Takeshi Miyazoe replied by saying something like 'We need to make it harder'. Hard games are more rewarding. Hard games that make players work are good. I'm glad that Bungie are making the raid more difficult. The harder the raid, the more fiero I'll feel upon completing it. Let's go.

Wait so am I concerned about this affecting the casual gamers ability to complete the hard raid? ..... Not in the -blam!-ing slightest. If you're doing the hard mode you can learn where the oracles are and how to use the relic. It's not that big a deal. Go practice on the normal mode if it's so hard and THEN come back and do it. Hell just get a save point at Atheon and a group of friends who don't know WTF they are doing and run that a few times until you all get the hang of what's going on. I'm sick of people just standing outside killing supplicants (and doing it badly at times) while we're doing all the hard work on the inside carrying yo' ass. God forbid one of us dies and somebody else needs to pick up the relic because then it turns into a giant salamifest where people forget where their shoulder buttons on their controllers are. Sometimes I'd like to relax during the raid too you know? To be honest this raid would have been way better with this in from the start. People have got to stop crying about not being able to complete it with "their tactics". If your tactics aren't in the spirit of how Bungie meant for the raid to be - you are wrong and Bungie is right. Adapt.

Why even make Atheon fall? easier to just kill him