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Edited by ChuckT1000:
10/14/2014 6:51:37 AM
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Suggestion for Vault of Glass Hard mode
First, let me describe the Vault of Glass on hard mode before the hotfix:
1) opening the door: It is on normal difficulty, so this part is quite easy.
2) Defend the conflux: the 1st "HARD part". Need some team synergy and communication. Much easier if you "skip the legions" (jumping on the side platform) FIXED.
3) kill the oracles. EASY. 5 guys stay where u spawn and snipe them all. No fighting involved. FIXED
4) kill the templar. EASY. same as oracles. Another good spot is a platform to the left. FIXED.
5) Gorgons maze. EASY. Can be done in about 30 seconds. If the team fails, theres even a technic where 1 guy pass the maze, everyone else leaves and rejoin his fireteam to skip the maze.
6) Jumping platform. SUPER EASY.
7) Gatekeepers: the 2nd HARD part. Need a good strategy, good execution and skills.
8) Atheon... a) use the glitch
b) do it the hard way. this part involves lots of glitches/bugs: Oracles sometimes explodes unusually fast on Mars (rare). You might get ported back on mars/venus if 2 guardians walks through the portal at the same time. Also, in time of vengeance phase, if you move the relic bearer with another guardian, the relic shield can sometimes drops. Sometimes, only 2 guardians are sent into a portal.
So basically, the hard mode was a joke. Only 2 real steps: defend the conflux and the gatekeepers. All else could be cheesed or sidestepped. Good job Bungie on fixing HALF of it. I really hope you now fix the rest.
Now, doing the raid integrally is quite a challenge. Especially the killing the oracles and the templar with all the snipers, minotaurs, etc. It takes a dedicated team of well-rounded guardians.
My suggestion is this: Give 1 revive per fireteam per wipe. It makes for a strategic choice. The best super in raid is without a doubt the Warlock sunsinger resurrect. They basically have 2 lives. For a hunter/titan, there's no second chance. you die, you probably will cause a wipe for your team. It amounts to a lot of stress.
This suggestion would help more casual raiders beat the hard mode if you fix all the bugs/exploit.
oh and lower the Vex mythoclast nerf from 34% to 20-25%.
And upgrade the base magazine of Pocket Infinity from 3 to 5 and keep your perk switch.
what do you think?
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7 RepliesThey need to fix the Atheon fight bugs completely. Two people entering a portal shouldn't cause problems as it does now; Atheon shouldn't skip porting one or two people to the past/future 10% of the time; the relic shield should not occasionally allow damage to seep through when everyone is standing in the center of said barrier (still unsure how it's happening???). Bungie ought to randomize the platform jumping section, either every entry into the Vault (e.g. going into Orbit gives a different pattern in reentry), or go balls-to-the-wall and make every platform appear at random, period. Hard mode should also randomize Gorgons, every team should need to scout the map for Gorgon patrols each time. Randomized chest locations would be annoying as shit but also pretty tier. Atheon exploit will be fixed very soon, I'm sure. Cheese it while you can! Can't agree with one revive per wipe. It'll make for an interesting dynamic but then the raid wouldn't be as hard, now would it? In any case hunters can brag how they're the most skilled and don't need a free revive :P.
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Edited by ChuckT1000: 10/14/2014 6:34:34 AMI really dont like the "all or nothing" attitude about fixes. look at the vex: thats not a slight nerf, its a huge one! look at the queen's wrath: they totally destroyed the event by voiding the ascendant materials dismantling. I mean, the logic answer was to lower the shards from 2-3 per gear piece to 1. not zero. And we could discuss the "iron banner" I suggest #bungie that they make more changes, but slighter ones. If you think it wasnt enough, you can still nerf it again in the future. Example: nerf vex mythoclast by 10%. still OP? nerf it another 10% next week/hotfix. Right now, theres only a low number of fixes but every one of them is a major/huge, which astounds/confuse/madden the community. They should look at what Valve is doing with Dota 2. Those guys knows their shit when it comes to fixing their game.
