[quote]These guns, listed in order of greatest effectiveness, are the only weapons anyone uses in the crucible This does not make PvP very attractive. I respect the fact that easy to acquire blue assault rifles are arguably superior but at least on-par to exotics and raid legendaries. Still, I'm sure folks are wanting to use other weapon types, but they probably would rather not reserve their seat in last place by doing so.. Bungie mentioned an auto-rifle fix two weeks ago. Where is it? And why was a PvP event released before the change? Anyone could have guessed what was going to happen. Five iron banner matches this evening. Between 9 and 11 auto rifles in each. No joke. The wonderful stats history for matches proves that, and browsing my friends' match history and looking at player's gear, the same numbers hold true. Don't you think such grave imbalance entitles the auto-rifle fix to being expedited?[/quote] I use ak47 for pvp.

Yet no one is willing to say "hey if we buff scout rifles and pulse rifles it's essentially a nerf to all weapons and makes the most unused weapons viable to use in pvp."

I don't know what your talking about. I only use hand cannons in pvp and I shit on ppl who use suros. Check my KD ratio.

Just want to throw this out there since I mentioned the Vex Mythoclast in the title but only commented on assault rifles: The Vex Mythoclast is not as good as what the concesus on these forums indicates. It takes 5 shots to kill someone with it, the same as Suros Regime, but it is tremendously more difficult to get a headshot with compared to Suros or Galahad/Shingen-E's (which take 6-7 body shots). The Mythoclast works differently than other guns. The projectiles stray off your crosshair's reticle, unlike every other primary weapon in the game (except for Remote Control). While the Mythoclast has extremely long effective range (if you chose not to have a large magazine), the projectiles do not always land on the target's head,, or even body, even with perfect aim, just like a regular fusion file, but more confined. It's odd because there are multiple projectiles per shot, but only one damage registration. It's tough to explain, but basically you deal non-headshot damage 9 out of 10 times you're aiming at an enemies head, and that's not just for PvP. Because of this Mythoclast is a better short range weapon for PvP with an extremely large magazine, but it still cannot match an autorifle 1 on 1. I consider Vex Mythoclast a noob cannon, spray center mass and pray your opponent cant get a quick headshot. I prefer to use the Suros or Galahad for superb headshot aim. (well actually I would prefer to use Strange Suspect pulse rifle, but i'd rather win). If you're having trouble against the mythoclast then I suggest a scope with "superb target acquisition" and high rate of fire and stability. Go for the head. Try a Shingen-E, it is arguably the most effective PvP gun.

No guys, it's all about the Khostov. I wish I kept that gun to see the look on people's faces when I killed them with it.

Agreed! I am a Suros user myself but even I recognize the necessity to do some changes to it. Not nerf it to the ground but the range on the weapon needs changed. I think that is the sole reason why auto rifles are the go to weapons. Also the buffs to pulse and scout rifles need to be damage buffs to make them much more appealing.