With this new DLC my soul is now broken, Destiny is now destined to be traded in, I have no hate for destiny just disappointment, hoping one day they can repair there game so I can come back but until then farewell and good luck.

Well said

Honesty is a death sentence to any business that survives on FIRST IMPRESSIONS and HYPE. Honesty=less money and you KNOW Bungievision likes it's $$$.

Don't forget the frailty of humanity's need is the basis for ... Did you say cake. Eats cake. Mouth full. Thinks to self, ah those poor staving birds in that nest in my garden, maybe I should not have caged them? Shrugs ah well I did need eggs for the loverly cake.

The games Destiny and Warframe share similar conceits, but vastly different approaches to community interaction. The Warframe developers: Digitel Extremes, have WEEKLY LIVE shows with their players where questions get asked and answered, and upcoming events/Free DLC's get previewed. The Warframe Developers are Center Stage EVERY other week with LIVE shows where the DIRECTLY ANSWER Warframe players questions and concerns. Bungie's PR strategy with their VERY FRUSTRATED and DIMINISHING fans seems to be : Shut Up, Go -blam!- Yourselves. We will tell you whats best for you...we are too busy at the moment buying Diamond Dildos to Shove up our ASSES, out of the Money you Wasted on this half baked Turd. Prediction: Warframe will be going Strong in 10 years, while Bungie will go the way of THQ.

Funny how the Warframe developers can address and exceed ALL their consumers Needs, Concerns & Desires. Are Bungies developers just less talented, or can't give a shit?

I guess I'll start with the fact that I paid 65 dollars for an incomplete game. You gave me an awe inspiring start only to be let down each week as I patiently awaited the DLC. I kept telling myself it will get better... won't it? Well here we all are, after waiting months for an overhyped expansion, about an hour later and the story wasn't even opened up. It was hey go do these missions for me because I can't see. The worst part is EVERYBODY got the same weapon for completing the bounties ( MURMUR ) It's an amazing fusion rifle I will say that... But isn't the point (to some degree) of an MMO to show off your badass weapons and gear to your friends and other players?? Nearly everything is made available for purchase at the tower so how in the world are we supposed to be unique?? The only difference I see in most characters is hair color. Oh and not to mention the $34.99 I dropped for the expansion set. What did I get? A F***ING SPARROW THAT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE. That's not the best part though. Not only did I spend $100 dollars for all of this... I paid $100 and for some reason Playstation gets more crap than Xbox. Why Bungie?? WHY?!?!? I really wanted to love this game so much but I think they missed the mark with this one by a longshot.

[quote]I want to start by saying that Destiny is a good game. Not great; but good. I picked up a 60 dollar copy and followed it's upcoming release closely with guarded enthusiasm. That being said, I believe I was in the minority with this approach. With new consoles on the market with a library of re-releases, disappointments, and smaller arcade style games, players were looking for something to sink countless hours into to justify their purchase. Enter Destiny; a brand new IP from a team with a stellar reputation and a massive budget. Destiny poised itself as a promising start for the new systems and a truly unique and epic experience. Gamers immediately lined up to get a hold of this next phenomenon. This is where the trouble begins. A massive advertising campaign begins and people follow it avidly. A series of behind the scenes videos and interviews featuring incredibly vague descriptions of what Destiny has in store are released and help to start a huge hype machine full of misinterpretations, misinformation, and speculation. No one knew exactly what it was and Bungie was keeping everything about Destiny close to the vest. Even the alpha and beta contained the same exact parts of the game that had been revealed at early press events. Despite this the great mechanics and prevailing opinion that we were only seeing a minuscule portion of what was in store helped create a pre-order storm that swept the gaming community. Most games now feature special edition pre-orders and bonuses with varying price ranges. Most of these games are from proven developers and established IP with an avid fan base. Bungie of course is one of those proven developers and people jumped at the chance to spend 80 to 100 dollars on a full game and additional content that would give them hours of enjoyable gameplay. Then Destiny launches with everyone's expectations impossibly high, only to bring them crashing back to a much more reasonable level. Suddenly this 80-100 dollar investment is feeling a lot more like a 60 dollar one. I am sometimes unsure about my opinion on what this game turned out to be. I certainly got my money's worth and am glad I bought it but, my view has been muddled by several things that cast Destiny in a more positive light. Firstly, I love the people I have been playing with and we have a great time together. Grinding for gear is much more entertaining when you are chatting about life, other games, or just joking around. The times I have approached these monotonous tasks alone they have been much more painful. Secondly, the market is pretty dry for gamers like myself. Me and my friends on Destiny have talked often about how this is all we have to play right now. Conversations lean more and more everyday toward what we will be playing together next, which is not a good sign. I frequently see forum conversations where a reasonably angry gamer makes a valid point only to have some one fire back, "If it is so bad why have you played 60 hours." For me that answer is easy: "It is reasonably fun, and I have nothing else to play." I firmly believe in a more diverse market Destiny would already be in my rearview mirror. The final thing that makes me feel more positive than most about Destiny is that I have invested myself completely. I downloaded the companion app, read the grimoire cards, and learned all of the ins and outs. For a game that panders to so many gamers it certainly doesn't bother to explain itself regarding it's systems or it's lore. I had to spend a lot of extra time off game to get a complete experience and this helped the game out considerably. Putting myself in the shoes of an upset gamer that fell into the hype, bought the special edition, and spent the last year in anticipation, I completely understand their dissatisfaction. Destiny has some glaring flaws and half baked systems which can really make the game frustrating. Without going into too many some of the major offenders are, lack of social features and interactions, cryptarch loot system, grimoire cards, and the incredibly weak story. Destiny feels like half of a full experience augmented with filler to be a more complete one. Imagine spending 100 dollars for a Bungie game because you liked Halo's story and the cutscenes in Destiny's beta looked promising only to find that there are only a handful more cutscenes in the entire game with an ending that had me saying, "Wait, was that the ending... Let me check the map for the next mission." Bungie was certainly not upfront about the story not being forefront or that it would be sold in pieces. They certainly didn't mention that the full experience can only be had at Bungie.net by reading card after card of lore. I say all of these things because I am somewhat let down by the final product and invalidating people by saying they expect t much is unfair. If I had to speak for all of the other gamers that feel unfulfilled and unhappy with Bungie, or Activision because of Destiny, I would say it is because it feels a little bit like were taken by a con artist. That may sound extreme but, when you look at a bold offering of a 100 dollar edition for something totally new, or at the extreme advertising budget, or even about the secrecy leading up to release you can see how some people may feel that the wool was pulled over their eyes. They put their trust in a developer thinking the product would be fully represented in what was shown to the players. Now there are people out there with a statue of a character with lackluster voice acting, booklets of info they will never use, a copy of a game gathering dust, codes to DLC they don't want, and they are 100 dollars lighter. But, no matter what people paid for Destiny, I think a lot of people thought they were buying a promise and now it's broken. There are many reasons I could go over for why some one may have given up on Destiny, but I see where they are coming from and feel the same in some regards. Why Destiny is not the game people thought it would be is a mystery but, this undoubtedly damaged Bungie's relationship with some of it's fan base. I will probably sign on today and do some bounties and continue to get value from this product but, they jury is still out on the DLC purchase for me. Even though I don't feel railroaded I wanted to say that I think that is a valid stance and that I hope Bungie does their best to deliver on the promise that was made. In the meantime, let's keep our fingers crossed that future titles will help fill the void Destiny did not and that maybe due to this reaction from the community developers will be inspired to be more open and honest with the community about what to expect so that we can spend more time playing and less time arguing about what is living up to the hype.[/quote] Amen to that

[quote]I want to start by saying that Destiny is a good game. Not great; but good. I picked up a 60 dollar copy and followed it's upcoming release closely with guarded enthusiasm. That being said, I believe I was in the minority with this approach. With new consoles on the market with a library of re-releases, disappointments, and smaller arcade style games, players were looking for something to sink countless hours into to justify their purchase. Enter Destiny; a brand new IP from a team with a stellar reputation and a massive budget. Destiny poised itself as a promising start for the new systems and a truly unique and epic experience. Gamers immediately lined up to get a hold of this next phenomenon. This is where the trouble begins. A massive advertising campaign begins and people follow it avidly. A series of behind the scenes videos and interviews featuring incredibly vague descriptions of what Destiny has in store are released and help to start a huge hype machine full of misinterpretations, misinformation, and speculation. No one knew exactly what it was and Bungie was keeping everything about Destiny close to the vest. Even the alpha and beta contained the same exact parts of the game that had been revealed at early press events. Despite this the great mechanics and prevailing opinion that we were only seeing a minuscule portion of what was in store helped create a pre-order storm that swept the gaming community. Most games now feature special edition pre-orders and bonuses with varying price ranges. Most of these games are from proven developers and established IP with an avid fan base. Bungie of course is one of those proven developers and people jumped at the chance to spend 80 to 100 dollars on a full game and additional content that would give them hours of enjoyable gameplay. Then Destiny launches with everyone's expectations impossibly high, only to bring them crashing back to a much more reasonable level. Suddenly this 80-100 dollar investment is feeling a lot more like a 60 dollar one. I am sometimes unsure about my opinion on what this game turned out to be. I certainly got my money's worth and am glad I bought it but, my view has been muddled by several things that cast Destiny in a more positive light. Firstly, I love the people I have been playing with and we have a great time together. Grinding for gear is much more entertaining when you are chatting about life, other games, or just joking around. The times I have approached these monotonous tasks alone they have been much more painful. Secondly, the market is pretty dry for gamers like myself. Me and my friends on Destiny have talked often about how this is all we have to play right now. Conversations lean more and more everyday toward what we will be playing together next, which is not a good sign. I frequently see forum conversations where a reasonably angry gamer makes a valid point only to have some one fire back, "If it is so bad why have you played 60 hours." For me that answer is easy: "It is reasonably fun, and I have nothing else to play." I firmly believe in a more diverse market Destiny would already be in my rearview mirror. The final thing that makes me feel more positive than most about Destiny is that I have invested myself completely. I downloaded the companion app, read the grimoire cards, and learned all of the ins and outs. For a game that panders to so many gamers it certainly doesn't bother to explain itself regarding it's systems or it's lore. I had to spend a lot of extra time off game to get a complete experience and this helped the game out considerably. Putting myself in the shoes of an upset gamer that fell into the hype, bought the special edition, and spent the last year in anticipation, I completely understand their dissatisfaction. Destiny has some glaring flaws and half baked systems which can really make the game frustrating. Without going into too many some of the major offenders are, lack of social features and interactions, cryptarch loot system, grimoire cards, and the incredibly weak story. Destiny feels like half of a full experience augmented with filler to be a more complete one. Imagine spending 100 dollars for a Bungie game because you liked Halo's story and the cutscenes in Destiny's beta looked promising only to find that there are only a handful more cutscenes in the entire game with an ending that had me saying, "Wait, was that the ending... Let me check the map for the next mission." Bungie was certainly not upfront about the story not being forefront or that it would be sold in pieces. They certainly didn't mention that the full experience can only be had at Bungie.net by reading card after card of lore. I say all of these things because I am somewhat let down by the final product and invalidating people by saying they expect t much is unfair. If I had to speak for all of the other gamers that feel unfulfilled and unhappy with Bungie, or Activision because of Destiny, I would say it is because it feels a little bit like were taken by a con artist. That may sound extreme but, when you look at a bold offering of a 100 dollar edition for something totally new, or at the extreme advertising budget, or even about the secrecy leading up to release you can see how some people may feel that the wool was pulled over their eyes. They put their trust in a developer thinking the product would be fully represented in what was shown to the players. Now there are people out there with a statue of a character with lackluster voice acting, booklets of info they will never use, a copy of a game gathering dust, codes to DLC they don't want, and they are 100 dollars lighter. But, no matter what people paid for Destiny, I think a lot of people thought they were buying a promise and now it's broken. There are many reasons I could go over for why some one may have given up on Destiny, but I see where they are coming from and feel the same in some regards. Why Destiny is not the game people thought it would be is a mystery but, this undoubtedly damaged Bungie's relationship with some of it's fan base. I will probably sign on today and do some bounties and continue to get value from this product but, they jury is still out on the DLC purchase for me. Even though I don't feel railroaded I wanted to say that I think that is a valid stance and that I hope Bungie does their best to deliver on the promise that was made. In the meantime, let's keep our fingers crossed that future titles will help fill the void Destiny did not and that maybe due to this reaction from the community developers will be inspired to be more open and honest with the community about what to expect so that we can spend more time playing and less time arguing about what is living up to the hype.[/quote] Amen to that

Well said. Thank you for taking the time to type out this well spoken, and well thought out, post. The story in Destiny is so sorely lacking it makes me sad. When I played Halo games I was so invested in the story and characters that my heart would swell just hearing the intro music. I still think about the Master Chief and get a lump in my throat thinking about the last cutscene where he goes to have his armor removed. I can't wait to see him in action again. A tortured soul fighting the good fight. Destiny has none of that. Imagine if they explained none of the Halo plot to you, but made you read it on Grimoire cards? Bungie wouldnt have made Destiny, thats for sure. Because they wouldnt be the famous company they are now.

I'm honestly just waiting for another company to come along and give us all what bungie promised. I know there's other developers reading up on destiny's communities complaints.

Non whiny criticism but may I suggest giving it more to time to grow on you like a benign tumor . I find the raid being super fun.

"Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall."

The OP is well written. I like Destiny so far, though I worry about how this will hold up as I level up and will have a very hard time finding players to raid with given my unpredictable schedule. I also don't know how I'll feel about the power creep the expansions seem to cause since I'm not into the best gear yet. What I like about Destiny is it reminds me of Phantasy Star Online, which I loved. What disappointed me the most was I loved Bungi's storytelling and creativity in Pathways into Darkness and the Marathon series and was expecting something great like that. I'll keep playing since I have the expansion, but if I don't like how this goes, I won't buy the sequel.

Bump

"Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall"

Everything that needed to be said. Bungie I want my story, please.