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Edited by SmoothElevator: 9/22/2014 3:12:17 AM
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Farmers vs Non-Farmers

Ok, look here. Out of all these threads about farming the cave on Earth, it seems the ones that are against it are the aggressors on this forum and it's pretty unnecessary. Personally, I'm perfectly fine spending about 20-30 minutes at the Cave Casino (I wanna make that name a thing on this forum lol). I do the Vanguard bounties every day and play a few Crucible matches from time to time. There are some who really want to try their luck at it hoping to get a legendary, some who do it to rank up the Cryptard (we all know he screws most of the time), and some who do it for weapon parts or glimmer. All of these reasons are perfectly fine. For the people who are against it: WHY DO YOU CARE? I swear, some of them want to act high and mighty just because they think the farming is wrong. It's cool to express an opinion, but to call cave farmers "peasants" or "noobs" isn't cool. Just play the game the way YOU want, not worry about how others play, and we can all get along. It's not hard at all. If you can't seem to accept that, then you're making yourself look really immature trying to stand/dance in front of the cave while others are minding their own business. What they're doing isn't affecting you in ANY way. I'm open for intelligent discussion on this matter, but this internet hate towards our fellow Guardians is stupid. This should be settled peacefully. [b]EDIT[/b]: I want to thank everyone for their comments good, in the middle, and bad. In reality, I'm a nice guy, so I'm not gonna come on here and act like a maximum douche.
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  • I'm expecting a fix for it soon. Farm away suckers, I doubt it will stay long. This is obviously an exploit. If you say otherwise then you have likely been spending your last 72 hours or so spamming it. The game was not made for people to stand still and mindlessly spam low level mobs for rare/legendary items. Stop acting like you are entitled to be lazy *expletives*

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    • You are just being stupid saying that grinding the loot cave isnt affecting anyone if you look under the multiplayer playlist it clearly says the level of youre character is not affecting the current playlist which suggest that they are planing to add level based play lists

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    • We are Farmers! Bum ba-dum bum bum bum bum!

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    • I don't think you understand why most are mad... It's not about farming, the entire game is farming, whether you do an instance, raid, pvp, or kill mobs. It's how the mob spawner is working that's up for debate. All of you "farming is okay" people have issues understanding this point, we don't care that you are killing mobs, we care that there is a spawner that isn't behaving correctly. If you were running around killing all over the map, that would be farming, but you aren't doing that. You are camping a single spot that has a glitched, broken, or horribly written spawner that is removing the point of the game... to farm items. All of "you" types are saying that's the point, we are supposed to farm items , kill mobs... yes you are, but if you think for a second they designed the game for you to sit in one spot you are wrong. The common argument is "we are supposed to kill for loot that's farming"... yes, but what is going on in the cave isn't about killing mobs, it's about the rate at which the mobs appear. The other argument is we hate farming/grinding, not true. I have no issue grinding loot, that's the entire point of the game, derp. But I do have a problem with people abusing a spawn point that is clearly broken. That's the part I can't get passed is how many think this isn't broken, is designed this way, is just a "short" timer. No, this is a bug that at some point will get squashed. Bungie did not design a game and go, well you know what i don't want people to run all over this massive world, lets let everyone farm in a cave. I'm quite sure they would have just called it "farm the cave". Not as snappy as Destiny, but the idea that because all games have spots people farm must mean this spot isn't broken, glitched, bugged, slipped through the cracks. Seriously, you honestly think Bungie is going to leave this in forever? No, of course not. That's the issue, we all know it isn't going to last, and it's not because we don't like it, but because it takes away from the game. This doesn't reinforce the game of "farm items" it reinforces a broken mechanic that allows players to sit there for an hour or more in one little spot... no mmo developer EVER has said "lets make a huge world but have a spot that can be abused"... NEVER not once... they all fix it, whether it was a bug, glitch, or even an oversight, this will change or people will be done with the game because the loot cave topped them off. Get real.

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      • How can you even compare these two things? It's like comparing Batman with a potato...

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      • Everyone against farming has a lil dick

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      • whoa ! hold up someone whose actually telling the truth OMG what is wrong with you Oh waite a sec i get it now you actually have a brain Bravo and keep posting we need more common sense in the world these days

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      • I believe it's just people who are unfamiliar with the process, we fear that which we do not comprehend, this was pretty normal fare for MUDs and afterwards most early MMORPGs. That said the hyperspawning is a little borked to be sure it'll probably be tuned a bit, which I'm fine with so long as they don't implement diminishing returns.

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      • I don't have a problem with the loot cave at all, I have used it on the odd occasion but nothing beneficial in terms of loot has come from it for me anyway. I think what people are forgetting is that the loot system is ridiculously random, I have only ever had two legendary drops for my class (Helmet from Tiger Strike Playlist & Sniper Rifle from the Raid) the rest of my gear I got bought by making sure I maxed out my vanguard marks every week oh and my Scout rifle I got as a gift for reaching vanguard rank 3. I have several PSN friends who hit the loot cave daily, on average they have racked up 36 more hours game time than me but are still 2-3 levels lower than me (I'm Lvl 28 game time roughly 2 days 6 hours) this demonstrates perfectly how random decrypting is. Personally I think anyone can get loot how ever they want, If I happen to be by the cave and I see people grieving other players then I report them, this is against the games T&C's and you can be banned for it, you cannot be banned for farming. If everyone complaining about the loot cave just played the game as oppose to arguing about the "legitimate" way to gain loot then they probably wouldn't find "Farmers" passing them in terms of gear/level. As a side note this whole "Farmers" vs "Non Farmers" thing, its an MMO, absolutely every action you perform in game (bar Dancing, waving, etc.) is Farming.

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      • I farm crops irl

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      • Edited by Galaxy wolf: 9/23/2014 12:32:54 PM
        "There are some who really want to try their luck at it hoping to get a legendary, some who do it to rank up the Cryptard (we all know he screws most of the time), and some who do it for weapon parts or glimmer. All of these reasons are perfectly fine. For the people who are against it: WHY DO YOU CARE?" Not that I'm against the cave personally, while it's there go for it.. but so long as the drop rates are artificially high because people are getting 10x as many drops via the loot cave as they ought to be, then the cryptarch will continue to give out trash. now, if people got drops at the rate that was intended, and as a result nobody was geared for the raid when it opened, bungie might've seen a problem, and then upped the chance to get items from the engrams, then people might've had their cake (playing the fun content how it was intended) and eating it (getting a decent return rate of items for their time).. but again, the cave bypasses this issue, meaning the one that hides behind it all (fun things not being rewarding versus exploiting a cave not being fun but ultimately being rewarding) will never be fixed. again, that's my perception of it, and again, while the cave is open, do it while you can, bungie hasnt' patched or stated anything about it so i can only assume that they don't mind it. I'm going to do it tongiht in the hopes of maybe seeing my second legendary drop (being that all my other items were bought, or earnt via rep gain gifts). Maybe I'll even get a decent legendary primary weapon to replace this sorry excuse for a exotic pulse rifle that I worked for.. Bad Juju is so terrible, it hurts, so much for it being 'one step above legendary' lol.

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      • What most don't understand, is that the cave is just part of the game. To dictate, preach, antagonize or criticize how to enjoy a very personal gaming experience shows extreme immaturity and lack of respect for others. These are the kind of people who thread on civil liberties and rights to satisfy their own shortcomings and prejudices. Whether you are right or wrong, it DOES NOT give you the right to impose your beliefs or will onto anybody. Do as you wish, play your own way, let others be. LIVE AND LET LIVE.

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      • I like the casino cave, I use it mainly for weapon parts and to rank up the engram guy. But I am praying for legendary boots lol unless I get enough vanguard marks to buy a set before then

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        Most people who look down upon farming just don't realize that its the same with any other game of this type. These methods don't require contantly rerunning strikes or playing crucible and hoping you win something awesome. I can understand the argument that it's now how the game was designed to be played, but until any kind of intervention comes in, play smarter not harder.

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      • Once you hit 20 everyone is a farmer. Though that has been said a billion times already on these post. Cave farmer, strike farmer, resource farmer, raid farmer, Rep farmer.

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      • Make these puppets dance! ;-)

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      • I haven't farmed. My armor is stacked and basically maxed out, but I am lacking in the weapons department (Primary weapons to be exact, but for now I'll stick with my kick ass Shingen-E)

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        • But if they found a way to spawn kill in the crucible, you'd be crying along with the "High and Mighty"

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          • I've spent about two hours total in the loot cave the past two days. I had 7 legendary engrams drop. I'm a hunter and the cryptarch gave me an exotic Titan helm, a legendary warlock helm thing, 2 grinders capes, 4 strange coins and 2 rare weapons parts ( I forget what they are called)

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          • What ever floats their boats, it doesnt affect me in any way they arnt getting an advantage on me so who cares. I just prefer the fun of actually finding it though regular play.... thats just my thing. Now if they start bragging abou thier epeen due to gear and we all know they stood there like rats hitting a feeder bar then thats different.... lol

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            • The reason why is because its not balanced with the amount of engrams you get in strikes. That's the only reason why ppl are doing it. It should be balanced out...

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              • You know what, I just started doing this last night, and for some strange reason it was fun. I am capped out on my vanguard marks, Almost Vanguard rank 4, all my bounties are done(except for the exotic weapon, need more gear before I can get that one). So I stopped by the cave for about an hour. I don't know why it is fun. I even remember telling my friend who was with me, "I don't know why this is actually fun? I figured I would be bored out of my mind by now." But it was, and after about 45 minutes we both had 2 legendaries. I think it is the fact that there is actually a chance for some good gear when you do this that makes it fun. I say. Play however you want to play, You paid for the game, just don't ruin it for everyone else.

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                • http://m.imgur.com/SrMjNIL

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                • I just thought of this.... The people who farm are actually given an extra reward. If they're in that area long enough they have a better chance to experience the Spawn War

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                  • This thread should be renamed People who want to waste hours of their life vs People who like to tell others what they can and can't do.

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                    • this thread is hilarious

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