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9/21/2014 12:20:28 PM
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Angry Review is up

And i think Joe is absolutely right. There are so many aspects of the game where destiny is as good as we would expect from bungie, but the story doesn't even start before the end credits roll. They totally sold us an incomplete game, with a DLC card in the package. I defended bungie wherever i could when people said the activision alliance isn't a good idea, but look what they have done. Do you guys think they planned on shipping the game with this introduction story to destiny in mind? Do you really think they thought this would be enough? I don't.

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  • Lol necrobump

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  • I think the game play is awesome. I love shooting things and doing it with my friends is awesome. I love seeing my gameplay progress and my character change with the new abilities and gear. HOWEVER, where is the story? I don't like "PVP" crap, never really have. Thus why I hate games like COD and its clones that have little to NO story and only "run and gun" gameplay. I love storylines that bring me into another world, another reality. In the campaign there is absolutely no explanation of a single thing other than you are necromantic soldier brought back to kill....and there was this "Golden Age" of technology ushered in by this moon sized sphere called the "Traveler". Oh did I mention that you have to annihilate several species for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. What's going on here guys? I mean who was the Exo chick on Venus and why is she interested in us? What about the Queen of the Ref and her brother? I know what you are going to say, read the Grimoire cards...I have and there is still LARGE gaps in the story.Even after you put the controller down and get online to check what the new Grimoire card you just acquired says it still leads to dead ends. Don't get me wrong I love the game but what the hell happened to the story? What makes me (a necromantic soldier brought back by the Travelers light) with no real explanation as to why I have to hunt down and kill random creatures do just that? Game play it gets a 10/10, progression system prior level 20 it gets 9/10, storyline a 2/10, level progression after 20 a 4/10. Total over all game score in my eyes a 6/10. Unless Bungie can bring better content and actually relate the storyline to the player/audience in a way that just WOWs us it can't go higher.

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  • Edited by BannedLove: 9/22/2014 9:28:50 PM
    I love how there are 47,000 likes and only 1,000 dislikes. It shows how the Desticles on this forum praising this game are only in the vocal minority.

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    • I think this guy actually LOVES Destiny. He just makes a video[i] saying[/i] he hates it because it is the "cool" thing to do.

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      • Saying the game is under delivering in the first month is a very superficial observation. Angry guy and a lot of people put their reviews out fast so they can get views and money. There are lots of things to roll out over time to extend the life of a title beyond the first month. Events Patches that include new content (free dlc) Other unknown methods that could be new to this unique genre. To say this is all there is and we have been played is like ditching your new girlfriend at the first month. You don't want to buy her dinner anymore because she doesn't put out enough. Good luck with that Come back in a year if stuff is still appearing grim and maybe you would have an argument. Planetside 2 has done a lot worse.

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        • Edited by Carbon Eagle: 9/29/2014 7:37:04 AM
          Honestly I live to play crucible. Love it and grind it because of PvP. If we took that PvP element away blew through the "campaign" in 8 hours or so. Joe is 100% right. For 500 million dollars, I expect 40 hours of storyline. For 10 years. My disappointment with how Destiny was advertised by Bungie versus how it was released is pretty huge. Thank goodness for the crucible. :) Joe is totally right in his review.

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        • I think much could be said, but Mom always said point one finger and three more point back at you. Folks gripe about story but will buy CoD and MW. Folks gripe about game design but no one says anything about another Forza, Need For Speed, FiFa, UFC, WWE, etc etc. Again, if it ain't enjoyable, instead of trying to make others hate it, just don't play. Look at my profile. I played a crapton of games. See my Cheeves list? The games where I've only unlocked 1 achievement? Like, oh say Terminator Salvation, which was listed as an amazing story, great graphics, exploring and shooting? Yeah, horribad, and I quit playing it. Now, how about Fallout New Vegas? Folks had an overwhelming scheissefest over glitches, bugs, and freezes. I completed the crap outta that game. With all the glitchy bs, it still was and IS (cause I still play it) a fun game. I love being able to get a rifle and go hunt in the game world, without having to pay $22.99 for a box of ammo, $6.99 for a bottle of Hoppes 9, and the hours driving, shooting, sweating and then cleaning. How does all of that tie in here? I just appreciate being able to enjoy a game killing some doofy aliens, riding around in a Star Wars speeder bike, jumping up on ledges, tbagging a "Speaker" until my Ghost says "Stop that" and rolling up with some friends to ruin a Hive family's picnic at the Helipad Cave. It's FUN.

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          • meh, he's just venting like you guys are. honestly angry joe is only making money because of this "angry review" thing he has going. Fact is the game plays well, and the content is flexible, more will come. squalls will be silienced.

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            • I'm at work with students in the computer lab so I can't watch Mr. Joe's review. But I want to add this thought to what his usual MO is: He's Angry. He complains. He shouts. He finds things to be angry about because if he went into a review saying "I understand why they did this" or "This part of the game is a little annoying but I can live with it." Let's assume that he considers the Grimoire cards as a "meh" feature and that he can "kinda" respect what they're trying to do. To say so would completely violate his ENTIRE ethos. He can't acknowledge that they're "just okay". What he has to do is rant about it and be, well, Angry. His review of ESO while it raised valid points also exaggerated problems, over-sold concerns, and tended to focus most on things to be angry about rather than spend much energy at all on things that worked or at least could be worked around. I don't expect anything different here. I get his "schtick" but I learned long ago not to put credence into these kinds of "reviews" as they're really more about the style and the man than product reviewed.

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              • "Angry Joe doesn't like Destiny" cried the internet. "Who the -blam!- is Angry Joe, and why should I care?" came the reply. So curious as to who on earth this guy is, and why so many kids give credence to him, I tried watching... and lasted two minutes. Incredibly annoying persona. My assumption of "loud, immodest, gesticulating YouTube person" turned out to be correct. I'm in no way saying that anyone who doesn't like Destiny is wrong, or that anyone who likes Destiny is right. I've not read any reviews on Destiny, I know it's performing average though only through osmosis. I personally like it, and the only opinion that matters to me on the subject of what is essentially a toy, and whether or not said toy is fun to play with, is my own.

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                • The game is a very good tutorial at this moment. More will come I m sure.

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                  • While I am having fun with certain aspects of the game, as a whole, I feel let down. I'm not a Bungie fanboy. I didn't play Halo. While I won't argue that it made its mark in gaming history, it wasn't for me. I bought this game based on what a seasoned developer over promised and quite frankly, under delivered. From everything they've preached over the course of driving this game I, like so many others,expected this huge storyline that will drive this game for 10 years. But, where's the story? It sure as hell is not in the game. There's so much promise and potential at every turn, every nook and cranny searched, only to find NOTHING. You want lore and history that you expect to find while searching the wastelands of the cosmodrome? Nope. Go HERE and READ THE -blam!-ING GRIMOIRE BECAUSE -blam!- YOU!!! Why do I have to disconnect myself from THE -blam!-ING GAME to go on the website or app to READ ABOUT THE -blam!-ING GAME I WANT TO BE PLAYING? You cannot legitimately argue with me that nearly all the content in the grimoire shouldn't have been scattered around the worlds in Destiny. If you even try, you're a sheep, blindly following Bungie. I won't reiterate any more of my problems, as the link above pretty much sums it up anyways. Joe is spot on in a lot of areas. Though I would go further and say the PVP is completely ruined by the client side hit detection and makes it nearly unplayable. When you melee a guy and are watching the kill feed to see that same guy take 5 steps and die FROM YOUR MELEE ATTACK?!?! Yeah, broken. And we have this shit in a 6v6? I'd rather play Battlefield 4!!! (And I've for 1000 hours in it). As I said, I am having fun with this game but, it is not what I expected based on the information given. Sure, you can argue that "this is only the beginning" or "it's the first part of a story in a series", but you're only fooling yourselves and obviously not very well versed in story telling. Go and read a series of books or watch a trilogy or anthology of movie and tell me that the first movie does not have a start, a middle and a finish. You cannot (unless the series is just completely shit) because ANY story or series that is GOOD and WELL WRITTEN has those three things in each part. It's a fundamental element of writing a good, engaging story. For $90 -blam!-ing dollars I expect a goddamn novel of a first act, not the -blam!-ing foreword. /rant

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                    • Angry Joe is a moron who just rants and raves spouting out stupid to attract other morons unable to form independent opinions.

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                      • A new Cod will be out soon for you kids, Don't fret!

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                        • With this topic gaining so much popularity I hope bungie sees this. WE NEED A REPLY we need an explanation of what happened we need to know why the game wasn't what it promised to be and we need to know how they are going to make it up. Bungie please come out of your room , sit down and talk to your fans . Tell us why why things ended up the way that they did . Sincerely , A concerned player.

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                          • Damn my hope for people is lost, yeah the game could use a few things no doubt but its a -blam!-ing fantastic game i dont know another fps that is as dynamic as destiny, or as fun cooperatively, and people are way too caught up in their entitlement and believe that they deserved a perfect game, but a perfect game doesnt exist you -blam!-ers so get -blam!-ed, thats the problem right there, this game was way way waaaay too anticipated and people were all just waiting for the most amazing game they have ever played. That just sounds insane you will never play a game thats better than fallout 3 in the first place but thats just my opinion. Im not lying to myself, i know exactly what i have purchased, played, and enjoyed. This -blam!-ing BATTLEGROUND on the destiny forum is completely rediculous, i come on this forum to collaborate with other players of destiny, not read some of the highest class bullshit ive ever read in my life, get real people, and while youre at it get over yourselves. Ps: you all know deep down destiny doesnt deserve this slandering, you all had your hopes up a little to high.

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                            • People should stop watch or read reviews and have your own opinion. You are gamer and you should decide what to play, what to like. Every person is different and that many different opinions can be.

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                              • I just had a thought strike me in the face. Too Human also did the "first part of a story" thing and that got kicked in the ass immediately. So the whole "trend" he's afraid of is a load of bull. Also, before posting I watched the video again, couldn't get past the first half because that "angry" gimmick is just excruciatingly sad and hollow. and annoying. Like Fred. God I hate Fred.

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                              • Edited by Sean: 9/21/2014 6:29:47 PM
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                                [b]EDITED IN NOTE:[/b] Don't bother responding if you aren't going to actually read the whole post, and spouting that the game has 10 years of content is just so wrong. The game does not have 10 years of content, the SERIES is projected to last 10 years, and being sold the actual story bits when the game needed proper exposition is just wrong if we are already paying full retail price. The game is lacking in plot other than somehow knowing where to go next with little to no explanation (or reasons as to why). A chapter of a series still should have a beginning, middle, and end (to the first section of the overarching plot), and shouldn't be stripped away. --------------------------------------------------------- Wow, so reading the comments here, and I am disgusted at the people who just ignore the faults with the game. The one that sickens me most of all is how they are proud of paying for the game where the story is not presented in any real and exciting telling, and instead how there is no context for anything in the game itself. Why are people wanting to pay for content that should have been in the game from the start (story itself, and not things that would add on to it). These are the people that are going to ruin games for the future, as companies will continue to slice off content (or plan to leave out story, and just make it later while doing this) as they will be able to sell it to people post-release. The intital game that you pay a full retail price for SHOULD feel like a complete chapter in a saga if that is what it is going to be, and not just have small repetitive missions, copy / paste patrol missions, and a complete lack of story telling. It is utter disgusting at the complacency in some people. This isn't about wanting all the expansions that are worked on post-release (key words: worked on), but wanting the story that is attempted at being told to have some depth to what is delivered. There is no real story beyond "You were dead, now you are alive, and without any context I want you to mass kill aliens". The protagonist doesn't question their resurrection, what they're being told to fight, or anything that a sane and rational person would actually do. They have no reaction to being brought back or even how so much has changed since they are alive, and instead just blindly follow. Maybe that in itself is why these other people are so at home with that story, because that is how they act in real life: sheep. Also going to add on by saying that we were shown more story based content years ago than what was actually given in the game, and were told complete lies such as Jason Jones talking about the grand exploration to the mountain off in the distance as it was all explorable space. Sadly, both had seen the cutting room floor, but we were made to expect that level of depth to the game, and when they were asked, they just side stepped and gave a non-answer to the questions from worried fans.

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                                • Visit www.unitedglitches.blogspot.com and they will show you all the destiny glitches in the world!

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                                • Nah people who complain about the story are just impatient or stupid and don't realise the story will develop / emerge over time (i.e. 2yrs)...

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                                  • I just want to point out a developer as storied and with the history of bungie (as well as the absolutely insane amount of universe building that goes into their games) would never release a game half baked without a plan in mind. These games cost a lot of money to make. One of the biggest publishers in the world, Activision, put $500 million behind this title. Do you think anyone would toss that kind of money around without being 100% confident in the product and vision they are releasing? Destiny is a gamble but not THAT big of a gamble. They know what they are doing, which is why they're getting written the checks that are bigger than your entire life's earnings.

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                                    • Experienced the same with the loot did 5 kill orders on all planets and got 4 chests

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                                    • His wheaties got pissed, mine are fine.

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                                    • I'm not entirely sure why Joe bothered with a review this time? Anything other than a day one review doesn't serve its purpose as a review. Essentially by the time this, and the other online/publication reviews came out, we've already bought the game. At which point what exactly does a review do? It either a. agrees with your already determined opinion or b. doesn't agree with your opinion. Don't get me wrong, I like Joe and he is entertaining, but his reviews are often the worst kind of popular bandwagoning, parroting the vocal minority rather than forming an opinion truly his own. As well loved as his reviews are by a lot of people, they are by far the weakest element of his production these days. For me, I admit I bought the game off the hype, but that hasn't stopped it being the single most fun experience I've had on the ps4 this generation. I haven't played a game this much for this long in an absolute age. It ticks a lot of boxes for me. There is plenty of potential ahead if Bungie play it right and I'm willing to give them a chance to prove it. Are there issues? I guess it depends on your definition of issues... Is the story hidden in the grimoire and hidden online rather than in-game... yes... is that a problem - not for me (I'm happy to read the Grimoire when I'm not playing the game). Is the game grindy past 20... yes... but for me at least that means you have to put some effort in if you want to achieve the better loot. I accepted this in WoW and I accept it here. Will I ever do the Vault of Glass? No idea, but if I don't then that's ok there's a tier of equipment out of reach. Everything else you can level your rep up for, or collect motes or coins etc. It's all achievable - Bungie are just asking you to work for it. That honestly isn't an unreasonable ask to me. If I had to offer any niggles, I'd list the PS4 "exclusives" as the biggest waste of effort ever (especially as it alienated the xbox players for no reason). Only the Strike is worthwhile although for my money it is one of the most fun. But in levelling 3 characters (and I re-rolled my 16 warlock for face-change purposes) I haven't seen a single "exclusive" class item drop... kind of pointless for any of them to appear now that I'm looking for purple gear... Other than that, perhaps allowing more characters to be created would be cool. The only story niggle I'd raise is that it would have been cool to see some reference to the race of the characters in the cutscenes. The Awoken could have reacted differently to an Awoken character for example - or mystery exo lady to an exo character. Even so, nothing above alters my feelings on the game. So for me, as entertaining as Joe is, this isn't a review I need to watch. I have already formed my opinion of the game and someone else's opinion and an arbitrary score out of 10 serves no purpose to me. I am still playing it two weeks after release and see no let-up there. I now have three characters 20+ (Hunter 22, Warlock 21 and a Titan 20) and two of them (warlock/titan) have yet to finish the story mode. I love the pvp, I'm really getting into the Strikes and I even like playing the Cryptarch lottery (got 1 purple off a green so far!). I don't need a review to give me a score and a rant about what isn't up to scratch in their opinion (or rather the vocal minorities opinion). For me, this game is one I like and I'm playing. For whatever reason, this 40+ gamer has been impressed with Destiny and long may I continue to play it.

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