[i]-This is better suited in #Destiny than #Clans. #Clans is a recruiting environment, and this deals with effects of clans on gameplay-[/i]
For those of you who don't know, clans are only allowed to contain 100 members and bigger clans are shun. We want 500 or preferably unlimited. This is the second petition we're starting. The first petition was [b]successful[/b], we raised the clanmate cap from the original 75, albeit it was only raised 25. It's now 100. Goes to show [b]we have a good chance to raise it [u]again[/u] with your support[/b].
Reasons why the clan limit should be above 100; click spoiler.
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Personally, I don't favour the limits imposed on us to maintain. I feel less and less of a clan founder and more as a member of my own clan. If I'm not allowed to manage my own clan in the hierarchy that I want, that's unacceptable.
Many people approach me on this topic with reasonable misconceptions, to which they usually assume that once large clans arrive small clans will dissipate. This is never the case, and I hope people stop arguing that small clans will not exist. If you want to make a small clan you can, even if the number is unlimited or larger. My clan for example is stopping at 150 members, and we arranged this number before the limit was set. This is set in stone, we can be intimate in the same regard if we chose to. We have the freedom to do that, and if big clans exist you may still have your intimate ones. Clans have different purposes though, some are matchmaking, some are for PvE and some do tournaments. Each clans should be different and not be normalized, give more freedom to the owners so that we may.
Firstly, I fully understand Bungie's argument to keep clan numbers low, it isn't an awful argument, they say they want members to know each other. Even with 100 members I find it difficult to know each one and be a close knit like they say. This is possible but I still see little difference when you compare it to big clans. In big clans you will find friends too, and make your small groups within that big group. This is very similar, I can be friends with 100 out of 500 in my clan and still be happy. So, with that, Bungie's only argument thus far, I see broken.
Secondly, "I don't know why you would need 500 people all to play with at the same time" - I've gotten this response many times. Well to that I parallel, why would you desire to play with 100 at the same time? We both know it's impossible in Destiny. On my Xbox 360 friendlist, the maximum is 100. I have 100 friends right now, and usually 20 are online at peak, and 0-5 during sleeping hours. They're playing different games, but the way I see it with 100 you wouldn't have a huge selection of friends to play with. Would you rather have 100 or 10 people? Sometimes those 10 might not even want to do matchmaking, they might want a strike. Not everyone's needs can be met, although with more people this seems simpler. Additionally, private lobbies have been hinted to be evolving into Destiny. Will tournaments be easier to prepare for and have more participants with more or less members? To which I would assume, more. What about weekly training? What about clan battles? What about any mode in general? You guessed it.
Thirdly, "Large clans would dominate PvP" - How is that possible, my good friends, when only 5 of your friends can be in matchmaking at the same time? I would rather think the members are the ones who dominate rather than the clan, as it should be. I might have a different opinion if, for example, there were a clan leader board. If there were a clan leader board then still I see no difference, personally. 500 members maximum vs 100 would still be scored the same, just more members to incorporate.
As a last reminder... This isn't a battle of which is better, but different clans have different purposes. If I wanted to host tournaments, it would be more ideal for my clan to have a larger active player count. Also, be a little empathetic. I don't want to have to kick 50 members from my clan personally, and my alliance owner has 1,500 members. He will have to end up kicking 1,400 members or end up having to personally message 1,400 of them to leave main clan and join subclan #9, #13, #2. That's an extreme amount of work just to begin with, also personally I wouldn't enjoy being told to leave and join the secondary clan.
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[b]Additional request[/b]: Split Xbox360/Xbox one clan numbers. Currently they are completely grouped, so 100 clan mates can be 50 on Xbox One and 50 on Xbox 360, or alternative 99 on Xbox One and 1 on Xbox 360. That's awful because that makes clans even smaller. Split it up!
[i]I don't like polls, I won't make one. They are too biased, members will vote before reading most of the time. Also, Bungie made a poll in response to our first petition asking players what size clan they'd rather have. The 3 options were "Juggernaut Size!", "Intimacy, I want to know all of my clan mates", and "Idc". I couldn't help but wonder what the results would be like if the options instead were "Unlimited", "Limited to 100" and "Idc". The results would look something like the responses in the threads, where a majority is voting for unlimited or bigger counts.[/i]
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Absolute support.
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Hells Gate supports this 100%!
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Edited by Ezimatana: 8/30/2014 5:41:46 PMBump posts will go here. Please make a post on the real topic also if you decide to bump! Bumping just helps the thread go to the top!
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I thought Deej addressed this in the latest weekly update and said they are going to raise it to 100?
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Just a question. Did DeeJ not say something along the lines of how does 100 sound? Not saying that they are or are not increasing the clan numbers to just 100. Its more of an open ended question from him. He's pointing at there being an increase and that it may be 100 but he did not say 100% that it will be 100, just asked if you would like 100. Just a thought as there has been no confirmation either way.
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100 people is just under 7% of my clan, that means over 9 out of every 10 people cant get access to clan benefits without having to go join a sub clan, which defeats the purpose of a clan in the first place(Unity and community). Please raise the cap, it would make a lot of super clans jobs much easier.
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Raise it!
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If enough people voice their opinions they'll raise it
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They've already stated their reasons for keeping clans small. Use the alliance tools they give you, and drop it.
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Edited by Gamerchick 777: 8/26/2014 11:53:15 PMLets get it RAISED!!!!!!!!
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Raise it
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What exactly does the limit mean? Does it mean for example that if a group has 130 players only 100 of them can set it as their Playstation clan (with a first come first served order)?
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Pretty sure Deej already stated that is going to be raised to 100 in the weeks update. Read the Q and A part.
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Edited by Venomous47: 8/26/2014 4:37:19 AMWhat I want to know is, why do you guys even need 100 people or more in a single clan for a game like Destiny where you can only have a couple people playing with you at a time?
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THE CLAN LIMIT IS NOT MY SON, BUT I WANT TO RAISE IT!!
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RAISE IT?!?!?!?! Why is there even a clan cap in the first place?
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Definitely RAISE
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Clan numbers should be unlimited and left to the clan to decide how big they want to be. The chances are that the clans that form for Destiny will want to play other games together as well. No need to Cap Clans imo. It could cause problems in the long term for Clan Founders.
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You will need stronger arguments than "we already recruited more" or " this is taking away from our sense of community, which if community is all we cared about, there are still ways to be a community..ways we don't want to use" I have seen games that allowed unlimited clan sizes have technical issues due to that. I remember a game in particular which would become very sluggish and cause other things to happen if you brought up the clan roster in game and you had over X number of members.
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I don't understand the point. Do you want to be in a clan so big that you don't actually play with or even talk to a majority of your clan mates? Just invite anyone you see? Quality > Quantity I'm shocked the limit is even so high to begin with. 50 seems like a big stretch already.
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Edited by What Up C: 8/26/2014 7:32:24 AM150 let's go! Raise it.
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Well thank you for reason 1001 why I hate clans.
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Agreed, needs to be revised and raised.
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imo dont mind if they do or dont, you can all ready make alliance, so you can get more then 100, but use each allaince as a dif section for your clan. but then they could just give you better clan options and no limit
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Shut up
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I have no interest in joining a clan. I still see your point. Supported.