[quote]I'm 26 years old, and my experience with games is predominantly with first person shooters( battlefield), and mmorpgs like Warcraft which heavily relied on team-based gameplay and communication for success. Having read many of the posts so far I can safely say that most players will never reach end-game gear or dungeons assuming Bungie is designing raids and flash points like their predecessors. Frankly, those who have played MMOs know it doesn't matter how much time is spent playing this game ( as many are already going to be spending 100+ hours per week lol). I will be discussing the top reasons below: 1) Maturity. Players who are highly tolerant of failure, never succumbing to hissyfits are much more likely to find a spot with serious clans. 2) Focus. This means no excessive chatter about nonsense, seeing issues as they arise and correcting them without someone telling you to, constructive guidance of team mates, etc. Especially during the final 20% of the boss's health, how many people start to panic in that critical moment? 3) Raid Awareness. Seriously this is probably the most important reason most never succeed. You simply are not aware of all the going-ons in your environment. Where your teammates are, where the enemies are, how the battle map is changing, what's being said on the microphone by the leaders and key players, all happening simultaneously. Raiding is a multi-tasking activity. These are my primary reasons for now, but as raiding exists right now, and this is not coming from an elitist perspective- no matter how many hours you put in, experience with COD or being "lone wolves" will not give you an advantage. Most will most likely get groups, but never advance, and this is why games like Warcraft had to cater to bad players through matchmaking and dumbing down end-game content.[/quote] Skimmed through it but everything I read was true. All I know is my clan will go far in end game content.

All you've stated is in Army leadership doctrine, it's all summed up to situational awareness. Force on force, force multipliers, combat effectiveness and so on. I like your POV, nice post.

I loved WoW and the dungeon/raid play style, I feel like these raids will be very demanding and I am looking to climb the ladder, can't wait to see where it takes us.

Thanks for the post . What you are also telling people is that they should pass on Destiny as they will never make it to end game content. And since that is the purpose of Destiny after level 20, most people don't stand a chance. For most players the game ends at level 20 when the story is done. Save their $60 to $120 for something else more suitable for them as Destiny will not be it.

Sounds about right. Dedication, focus, situational awareness and maturity is key to success

I agree with this. Although Bungie stated that they expect the first raid to be completed on normal within the first week, the harder difficulty may be a different story. On the first play through it's expected to take a group 3+ hours to complete the raid on normal. That time will lessen considerably for those who become familiar with the content. However, how many people will invest enough hours to learn the raid and make it that much easier? It definitely wouldn't be the majority of the people who would opt to match make that experience. For anyone who played the alpha you should know how hard the difficulty spikes from normal to hard. The devils lair was substantially harder on hard mode in the alpha. For some reason they only gave us two variations of normal mode in the beta, so many people have not experienced just how difficult the content can become, and it sounds like raids will bump that to another level.

This should give you a laugh in light on your concern: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/66935192/0/0

Sounds a little grim.

Good post bro. I played the original Everquest for many years and couldn't agree more.

From playing ffxiv:arr its seriously no point in the blind match making for the raids. People are so disorganized and have no idea what to do. Then you ask who needs help. No one responds and you get past phase 1 and two people are clueless. You again try to talk to them and get nothing. You explain the fight still and they still screw up. All it takes is one person to screw up something as small as standing in the wrong place at the wrong time and its a team whipe. Then people get pissed off and leave.

I fully agree with this post. I've played MMO's and did a lot of raiding so raids in Destiny will not be a foreign thing to me. Looking forward to them. I'll be playing on 360 until I can upgrade to the one.

I totaly agree and understand, When i played wow it was always hard to find a good raid guild that was elitest's or a bunch of kids who just whined till the game got to ez

I agree with you sir. It is very frustrating trying to find others that can handle the maturity and intensity of said issues. I personally find them very enjoyable, as I find it very fun/rewarding when your hard work pays off. The crazier the better :p . If there are other players out there who feel the same way, feel free to add my PSN. PS4 - Wolf_32 . Quality players are invaluable :) . http://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Detail/165383

THIS! +1