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6/25/2014 4:41:50 PM
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Will ADS impact gameplay?
Hi all,
Hope everyone is well, just a quick question regarding ADS and PVP gameplay. I've watched a lot of the Alpha footage, most kills I've seen have utilised the ADS function, other than shotgun kills, I'm happy to see and utilise the ADS myself, but I loved the classic hipfire of Halo of old, fast paced action orientated rather than twitch gameplay. The inclusion of this by COD was, at the time, seen as a step forward in immersion and gameplay, but I felt it took away the excitement factor of almost every dual/gunfight, nothing better than opening fire, losing a player who ducks behind a wall, just as his shields pop, you frantically try to jump forward to get him back within your sights, only for him to evade you a second time, then comes the adrenaline filled pause of where they appear next, will they do a 360 and appear behind you, will they wait it out, will they fight fire with fire and go for a lethal headshot, or will they sneakily appear above/below you looking for a shotty kill or melee. . . . Ahhh such memories.
Anyway, my main question for Alpha players who have played Halo, was it possible to kill/headshot players with the same ease as Halo without the use of ADS? Or was there a clear emphasis and benefit towards using ADS? I saw one or two vids that youtubers where able to two/three shot players with the scout rifle/hand cannon without the need of ADS, is this doable? Or where these guys lucky?
My second question to the community would be how will you split your ADS to hip fire? I'd love it if we could recreate the gameplay of Halo:CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3, no ADS needed other than the occasional long distance snipe or Battle Rifle. I obviously know this isn't Halo, but I hope, and have faith, that Bungie will stick to the winning formula.
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Why do people have to complain about ADS and then bring up Cod as an example? I remember one idiot posted stupid shit on the YouTube comment section saying "oh stop f**king aiming, this isn't CoD" blah blah blah. Seriously though, you don't see me hipfire all the time. [spoiler][b]I AM A GOD[/b][/spoiler]
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The hip fire accuracy is actually pretty good. The assault rifle primaries are comparable to the AR from Halo in this respect. At close to mid range hip firing is possible and even quite effective.
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So I played the alpha but never played any Halo, but I have played a shit tonne of COD. Trust me, ADS in this game is the majority of the shooting in this game, I found it very easy and comfortable and for most of the tougher enemies/bosses you have to ADS to hit the sweet spot to hit critical spots. I realllly wouldn't worry about hip firing.
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Welcome to the future, where almost every fps has ads,(that sounds weird when I say it out loud). ADS is very useful in these new games, it also makes things a little more realistic
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4 RepliesWhat is ADS? Goddamn video game acronyms.
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7 RepliesDestiny is it's own game man. Bungie has stated that they are staying away from everything Halo. As far as your second question, there's no real answer. In the heat of the moment you don't care whether you ADS or you chuck your empty gun at the enemies face...as long as they fall dead. You can and should utilize both to maximize your chances.
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10 RepliesI read somewhere on here that people noticed higher damage numbers when aiming down sights compared to hip firing (not to mention the loss of accuracy when not using ADS).
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2 RepliesNot sure what CoD you played but ADS NEVER slowed down game play and in fact added a whole lot more to the game play and I found it just fine to ADS while being mobile in the Destiny alpha. Hip fire works well too in Destiny so if you just can't seem to bring yourself to ADS then you really wont have to in a lot of cases I suppose.
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Think of these things as real weapons, and how aiming and "hip firing" would react. Then you have your answer.
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This is not a twitch shooter. The kill times are fairly close to halo kill times. I got 1/3 of my kills with hip fire so its definitely still a big part of this game.
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Edited by too real for tv: 6/27/2014 1:35:43 AMAt close medium and closer I found I was able to shoot a pulse rifle accurately enough without the sights.
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2 RepliesI found I almost never got head shots unless I used the ADS. And this was even more true when I used the scout rifle and hand cannon. The only issue I could really find with this, being a long time halo player, is that because the game for the most part felt like halo I wasn't expecting to need the ADS as much as I did. And with many encounters I had to decide whether it was necessary or not to get the kill and the problem with that is that the delay in time it took me to make that decision often got me killed. Or sometimes I would use the hip fire and then realize that I needed to use ADS and the other player will have been alerted by shooting him and I wouldn't have time to readjust my aim and they would would end having the upper hand and kill me. It got to the point where I was using the ADS almost exclusively and would forget Not to use it with weapons like shotguns. It is not a major issue and I found these incidences happen very rarely but when they did happen I did notice exactly what happened and it did bother me. In most PvP games I did very well and I was always without fail in the top 3 in every game so it wasn't a huge factor most of the time. I feel with more time to play the game, however this issue will not be a problem as I get used to how the game plays. I will also point out this almost exclusively happens in CQC. Where the need for ADS is more questionable. Also CoD players probably won't have any issue, and I only did as a Halo vet.
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Edited by WrathOfTheRoyal: 6/26/2014 7:55:23 PMYou are going to die hip-firing/spraying. This is not Halo and it isn't designed for that kind of play. Just grab a 1x zoom sight and use that. I certainly don't want this to be another halo game. Also expect bloom and less aim-assist when spraying if you plan on handicapping yourself You're gunna be taking the time to line up reticles when everyone else is just gunna be aiming dead at you. I only expect hip-fire to work in CQB
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Gameplay will be slower. In multiplayer, people will be hiding behind cover shooting and such like in COD. We probably wont see much arena style gameplay that you would find in halo1 and 2
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4 RepliesSeeing how the game has actual aiming reticles like Halo does, I doubt ADS will affect the game too much. I hope we won't have to use ADS for the entirety of the game because I kinda hate having to zoom in on a target that's right in front of me. [spoiler]'Cause I'm a Halo playa.[/spoiler]
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I love ADS but I hope they take away quick-scoping...
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8 RepliesEdited by GalaxySpider: 6/25/2014 5:17:54 PMVery precise guns (or guns with low recoil in general) like impulse rifles or scout rifles can be used more or less effective without ADS. I tried that several times and won most of my encounters.
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1 ReplyPlease take notice that halo and destiny are spelled differently, just as they are going to be played differently
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I came here cause I hardcore thought this said "Will AIDS affect gameplay?" to which I was gonna say "Well yeah probably eventually on a individual level." But this is a very very good question.
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I played the Aplha extensively and found hip fire to be very good. The weapons where hip fire>ADS are: shotty and RPG. The weapons where hip fire=ADS are: handcannon and , HMG, fusion scout, full auto and burst rifles are on borderline, meaning you can use hipe fire to your advantage The weapons where hip fire<ADS are: sniper rifle
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IMO, a Spartan shouldn't have to aim down the sights. His hud should have auto sight detection of point to aim and shoot. Except for large caliber weapons where balance and weapon reinforcement is needed for heavy recoil. Yes Smgs have recoil, but Spartan armor and his conditioning can easily gun fu if he or she wanted too. A guardian needs to ADS, armor is not integrated or assisted by an AI, so the law of the jungle will apply.
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Edited by Coup de Grace: 6/26/2014 11:43:24 AMADS was basically little more than a zoom. That, and it helps reduce recoil. Hip fire is still just as valid as it used to be, but people are so used to other shooters that practically require it that they don't know they can use it. That said, as far as primaries go, the auto rifle is the least effective from the hip. The recoil is harder to control, and you have to pace yourself to make sure your crosshairs don't bloom too far out. The scout and pulse rifles handle it a bit better, especially the pulse rifle which kicks less. The hand cannon is practically designed to be fired from the hip, it's brilliant (from what i've seen. don't want to pretend that i have first-hand experience)
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I get the hump when there is no ADS in a shooter
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15 RepliesI really missed hip fire. It's pretty inaccurate. Maybe later down the line some guns might be able to have decent accuracy with hip fire. Like others mentioned though, ADS doesn't slow down your movement. Once you realize that, you start to play better. At first I hated it cause I felt like I couldn't strafe around. Then I tried it and noticed no Penalty in movement.
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4 RepliesThis isn't Halo
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