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Edited by Mmmmm Napalm: 6/26/2014 5:33:22 AM
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Why Religious or Political Threads of An Antagonistic or Hateful Nature Should Be Prohibited

Recently, I created a thread in which I stated that I am of the opinion that religious discussion should be banned. Many were opposed to my suggestion, and Achronos himself said: [quote] ... is a thread about evolution a religious discussion? To some people, it is. How about climate change/global warming? Politics? Or just science? How about vaccines? July 4th/Memorial Day/Christmas related threads? Where does it end? [/quote] I do not necessarily disagree, therefore I have revised my thesis. Religious and political discussion of a clearly hateful, or antagonistic nature should be prohibited on this forum. I have revised it, as people stated their concern that actual, civil discussion on the subject would be banned. By revising my statement, I believe I have developed an excellent compromise on the issue. Now, what is "hateful or antagonistic discussion" and why should it be banned? Let's look at a few threads relating to religion. Mind you, these are only threads with the tags #religion, #Christianity, #Islam, and so on, so topics relating to religion, or politics with only the tag #Offtopic are not included. Here's a few examples of threads, that I believe, are of an "antagonistic or hateful nature": [quote]Yet ANOTHER Muslim Honor Killing[/quote] This thread in particular had the tag #religionofpeace... I wonder if it's implying something? [quote]What Religion Would You Erase From Existence?[/quote] This one speaks for itself. [quote]LOL at Christianity[/quote] Again, speaks for itself. So, I've established what I believe "antagonistic" to be. Now why should such discussions be banned? Well, for starters, the Code of Conduct condemns "Disrespect based on race, creed, gender, orientation, or disability." as "Stuff That Sucks". I'd say the previously mentioned threads were pretty disrespectful. Furthermore, most of these "discussions" of an antagonistic nature aren't discussions, just one perspective looking in the mirror and affirming itself while insulting the other perspective. You've all seen it, and I don't need to explain any further. If you need clarification, just look at some threads relating to religion. As to the solution, why resort to prohibition? Why not just mute such topics? Well, while that solves the issue on an individual level, it does little to help prevent such things from occurring, and is a poor solution in regards to the community as a whole. Yes, I can mute the user or the topic, but we all know how abundant alt accounts are, and that's only assuming that only a few, select users are creating such threads. Add up all those people? That's a lot of users, and I'd rather not mute them at all. Instead, we should seek to solve the issue on a larger scale. We should try to solve the community's problems, not simply ignore them and tell others to do so as well. Essentially, we should try and make Bungie.net and #Offtopic better, instead of letting it get worse. Now, I want to restate that I'm not saying all discussion of a religious or political nature should be banned. Instead, those rare productive discussion would be retained, and those "b8" threads would be gone. In addition, I want to make it clear that I don't intend to attack any users who have made similar threads to the ones listed or those who disagree with me. Furthermore, I don't mean the Ninjas of Bungie.net any disrespect. I don't mean to imply that they're not doing their job, I just wanted to propose a solution to what I see as a problem in this community. So, I implore #Offtopic and the Ninjas to consider my suggestion, and help make Bungie.net a better place for all of us.

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  • I agree. It's already harmful to the people wanting civil discussion (people genuinely interested in learning about Christianity/atheism/Islam/agnosticism/etc.) with people being allowed to antagonize them. It causes bad themes to the threads and ruins moods, thus disrupting discussion.

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  • I hardly see them. I either hide the thread or mute the idiots who constantly make them. I don't know why people waste their time making those threads.

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  • MFW Title is TL;DR [spoiler]😕/spoiler]

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    • Necrobump of JUSTICE!

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      • I am Necroing this post because you plebs clearly need to see it again

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        • Edited by Ingloriouswho98: 6/4/2014 4:06:50 AM
          Please add a TLDR at the end

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          • BUMP FOR GREAT JUSTICE.

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          • Edited by Ricochet 049: 6/4/2014 4:49:04 AM
            I like being able to discuss that stuff here. And I like that Bungie was very kind to allow it on their site. I don't like closing my eyes and plugging my ears because someone out there is different. If they hate a group I consider them foolish, and of no harm to me.

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            • Edited by ChaosMetalMarty: 6/4/2014 4:40:39 AM
              The following Topics need to be banned for being flame bait >Religion >Personal lives >Politics >Halo 4 >Call of Duty >F*menism

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              • I agree. The useless bickering and hate flung all over the place is not good for the community. But I don't think that all religious posts are bad. I think that what you were saying hits the bullseye :) *Sips Maple Syrup*

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              • This is a good idea, I support it.

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              • Edited by ChaosMetalMarty: 6/4/2014 4:39:19 AM
                [quote]"Someone should read this" -Viktor Reznov( Berlin, Germany 1945)[/quote] TL:DR: Version He is right and you should all agree (Shitposting in general needs to be prohibited)

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              • Although I see Achronos' side of the argument (where do you draw the line) I still feel it would be better just to get rid of religious and political threads. For the most part it just leads to baiting and antagonizing. Yes, there seem to be some threads that actually want to discuss the issues in a somewhat civilized manner, but I feel that's a minority. It can be argued that people need to realize when something is bait and when a topic is there for legitimate discussion, but honestly I feel people lack that self control. People on the internet are too eager to share their opinion and don't take the time to stay their hand from clicking the post button. It's a rush of the moment. It is bad that people go around and bait other users into arguments instead of actually addressing topics that people can talk about, it ruins it for the people who do want to talk about it. And it is bad that people can make alts so easily which just ruins the integrity of bans and makes spamming easier. This is just my opinion of the matter. I understand, like the OP that Bungie and the Ninjas have a lot of gray areas that they have to sift through in order to make appropriate decisions. It's definitely not an easy task to have to decide what counts as religious or political and making the availability to discuss these issues does lighten the load on moderators and allows those who want to discuss these issues to discuss them. That being said, I do find that the original method worked better because it prevented the baiting and the antagonizing. If people want to discuss these things, wouldn't it be better for them to go to forums that are centralized on the topics of religion and politics?

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                • Edited by Progo: 6/4/2014 12:08:02 AM
                  [quote]Religious and political discussion of a clearly hateful, or antagonistic nature [/quote] I'm not sure if you've noticed, but a sign of being in the cool club is to enter flaming religious and political threads for the lolz, no [cool] people take them seriously. I do enjoy giving my opinion, and reading the opinions of others, but if a thread is ridiculous I try to avoid getting myself wadded up over it.

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                  • I don't know what those idiots were thinking when they thought letting religion be discussed on a forum like this was a good idea.

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