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Edited by FoMan123: 12/12/2013 5:25:17 PM
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Bungie, Destiny and YouTube's New Copyright System

I (along with many other people I'm sure) was planning on recording and/or streaming footage of Destiny, and uploading it to YouTube. Over the last few days however, I noticed a lot of discussion on Twitter of these new YouTube policies affecting content creators videos. Initially, I assumed the negativity had something to do with the new comment system YouTube implemented. However today, after watching several of my favorite 'Tubers rant/discussion video's - I feel incredibly disheartened to even attempt starting up a channel with Destiny footage. [url=http://youtu.be/JQfHdasuWtI]AngryJoe's rant[/url] (Explicit) really hit home for me: someone who is most definitely [b]not[/b] a content creator, but looking into becoming one. AJ mentions in his rant how he is lucky that he already has a viewer-base, and feels bad for anyone who is starting, or looking to start out. Some studios are already fighting this new system (AJ mentions Maker Studios and Polaris) as these companies are aware that this new system, in [u]no[/u] way, benefits them. Where does Bungie stand on this? Will you fight the copyright claims YouTube applies to videos of your game, or interviews like the one AJ had with DeeJ and Urk - which only contains footage meant for publicity in the first place? Where does the Bungie community stand on this? Personally I'm finding this hard to believe YouTube would want to impede it's user-base. I've seen so many video's on YouTube where content creators have 'made it' and can actually live off their income from YouTube. What happens to those people?

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  • Edited by Datto: 12/12/2013 10:34:03 PM
    You know, I've always wondered that question as well: what happens to people when the youtube well runs dry? Even if I somehow manage to get to a point where Youtube can pay my bills, I don't think I'd ever stop working a "real" job. However, I work in a field that is just as volatile as Youtube: television. I have the ability to hop from job to job as I please. The skills I have now (assistant editing on AVID) don't really deteriorate, so I can just take a long break and then go back to work whenever I want. Others don't have that luxury and trust me when I say that THAT "luxury" is one of the only things that's nice about working in television. I have to devote at least 11 hours to work (driving there, working, driving home and that's if I'm not on set). Then I come home, read up on news, make a video if I have to, sleep, repeat. That's why I tend to stay more fact based and keep my videos short, I just don't have the time. I'm actually glad Destiny got pushed back, gives me more time to get my life together before I have to go into hardcore video mode. I'm a lesser known content producer for Destiny, so I can't say I'm really impacted by these changes that much (let's just say I make enough money to buy some packs of cards in Hearthstone and pay off some overdue library books for a small group of people). Even if this did affect me, I still have another source of income, so I'd be making content regardless because I'm really excited for this game. For others, this IS their income and it's akin to being fired from your job, but I'd say it's more along the lines of working for free. However, I'm in the party that thinks this will be resolved soon, especially with the support that many companies (including Bungie) have been giving to the youtube community. The reason all these changes are coming is because Youtube/Google don't want to be sued. They've been taking all the responsibility from all these copyright issues, so they're passing on some of the responsibility to MCNs, which is fine. What's not fine is that the content flagging system is flawed. Anyone can flag almost anything and there are zero repercussions for bad claims. Shoot first, ask questions later is the game. The fact that this system is handled completely automatically is another issue. There's no one for anyone to talk to about this, it's just "well, let me dispute and see what happens." THAT'S the biggest issue. However, another issue is the fact that even something that's 10 seconds long can completely disable a video of any duration, which is insanity. If I have 10 seconds of a copyrighted song in a 30 minute video of mine and it's flagged, the owners of the song get 100% of the revenue from my video (for reference, 10 seconds of 30 minutes is .0055% of the duration). But I think the thing that people are most angry about is YouTube's lack of any human response to anyone. It's essentially run by robots, there's no interaction, there's no one for people to talk to. People can mention alternative websites all they want, but unless there's some serious investment put down, it's probably not going to happen. Dailymotion doesn't have a great search function and Vimeo is even more restrictive than YT. Blip.tv might be solid, but I'm not sure. What happens to youtubers who can't support themselves anymore via Youtube income? They stop making content or significantly lower the amount they do or the quality of it because they need to work another job to put food on the table. That's really it. I think people really underestimate how labor intensive Youtube can be. To make a video, I: review the material, write a script, prepare any visual media, record and edit my audio, edit my video, export, create thumbnail and upload. Even for something that's 5 minutes long, that can take a few hours. The most I can do at work is review the material and write a script and that's only because I'm working a lower level position. If I was in a higher up position, I wouldn't be able to do any of that. And this goes for the Youtubers you've actually heard of as well: Destiny Updates and MoreConsole. We all put a lot of time into producing content. Not to say that non-youtubers don't put in the time, but they aren't dealing with these copyright issues right now. Starting up a channel to the point where one can even make ANY money is a very difficult endeavor. Hell, the only reason some people have even heard of me is because I was at E3 and got some pictures of guns that weren't seen anywhere else and DU/MC both very politely asked me if they could use the material. It's a lot of time invested, especially at the start because most people have jobs and then quit them to pursue Youtube more. I feel bad for people trying to start something like a Call of Duty or Minecraft channel because those markets are so oversaturated already. I think I'm getting offtopic, so I'll shut up now. All of these edits are spelling errors or clarification.

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    • People can always find new ways to do what they love I always wanted to start a channel for reviews and one way or another even with these changes it can still be.

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    • its kinda funny because i tried to flag a copied video yesterday and there was no option for 'copied content'.

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    • Vimeo is the future

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      • Great topic. I too was wondering about this.

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      • Edited by ScottOnSheppey: 12/12/2013 5:36:22 PM
        I'll be streaming live from the day I get Destiny, will be the only game I have done utter with. Rockstar: GTA V was iffy with it because of the music, but I don't see why Bungie would have a problem as long as you don't sell the videos or claim the game as your creation. EDIT: After watching the video you linked, I understand your worry. I had no idea YouTube was doing this, and I hope they sort it. If not, edit a filter with "Bungie" in one of the corners and have te music on mute...

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      • Edited by FairlySplendid: 12/12/2013 6:06:16 PM
        Bungie (DeeJ) has already commented on the issue. Apparently they are on it: http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/1sjgrq/copyright_claims_against_destiny_youtube_videos/ [quote]DeeJ: Sorry for the hassle, man. We decided that we'd had quite enough of you! Kidding of course. This is not us at all, but we are looking into what we can do for you.[/quote] He continues... [quote]DeeJ: Seriously, though. A conversation about this is happening right now. We love community-driven content, so we'll get to the bottom of this soon.[/quote]

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        • Google is doing something incredibly stupid and unnecessary to Youtube? I am SHOCKED!

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