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#Septagon

1/2/2013 5:10:47 AM
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A huge problem with this community

Before I begin, let me clarify something. This thread is mostly in reference to threads on the Flood, because the Septagon is saturated with employees, moderators, and people dedicated to pleasing the previous two groups, and because the game forums have effectively died. Bungie.net has a culture problem. A culture problem that I believe is detrimental to the growth and success of the website. Hostility is not really something I see talked about much here so I figured this was worth a thread. The Flood's not a pleasant place, and it never really has been. In fact, it got so bad that the Big Man had to step in and [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=26466683]do this[/url]. It kind of feels like the entire community, moderators and members both, have forgotten [url=http://www.bungie.net/Help/content_viewer.aspx?link=conduct]that being a jerk is a bad thing.[/url] Anyone who posts often on the Flood can see this. People are constantly tossing around insults, and pretty nasty ones at that. For some reason, no one seems to care anymore - maybe because we're dark, or maybe because we've just all gotten lazy or grown out of being bothered by such things. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76620787]Just look through a few[/url] [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76616824]pages from a couple of threads made since yesterday.[/url] Let me stop here and say that I am not trying to be negative and judgmental towards the moderation team. I know that holding that position is difficult from experience elsewhere, I know how exhausting and bothersome the job is. I'm aware that moderators can't be everywhere at all times to ban people who are hurling nasty insults at someone. This is just as much a call to members. Every one of us are given a report button so we can help keep the forums clean, but who really uses it unless they're upset over something an OP said? How often do you see a post reported aside from OPs and harmful links? The sheer nastiness that can be seen just by scanning over any somewhat long thread is astounding. Maybe moderators don't ban people within threads because they don't see them. Maybe the same is true for people not reporting a post. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a moderator lock an exceptionally long thread, that everyone knows is nothing but a cluster-blam!- of angry people spewing hate at each other, and not bother to even read the second post. Like I said, I understand when you just don't see it, but why in the hell are people in these huge threads not reporting these types of posts? I know that people will be jerks on the internet, and I'm not expecting it to change. But can we please do something to get rid of this toxicity before new people start pouring in? People have strong opinions on things, and they're certainly entitled to them, but why do you have to insult someone by saying you can't tell if she's a boy or a girl? Why do you have to say nasty things to non-heteros, or females, or people who don't like the same private group as you do? Why is any of this tolerated at all? Allowing this stuff to go on is just running people away from the site, because a civilized person has no reason to spend their time being involved in a community that harbors these types of people. I know what the responses will be to this post. People will tell me how I'm being too sensitive and how it's just the way the internet is. People will tell me I'm one of the jerks. And look, I know I overstep the line sometimes when I'm joking. None of us are perfect, but I don't think asking members to attempt to be decent (and mods to enforce decency when needed) is too much to ask. You can ignore this problem all you want, but I know from talking to others that I'm not the only person who sees this. It's a real problem that needs to be fixed.

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  • Edited by Commander Tempu: 7/21/2013 2:30:02 PM
    The problem i see is that people here could respect one another better. The problem is that you cannot force them to want to act normal. Many in off topic(As the Flood is dead) try to cling to a time long ago. Its gone now and its time to grow up. Trolls will be trolls yet also you have to balance the fun factor. The community must want to enforce such but with dumb asses like Spartan Ken 15 running amuck this will never happen as the majority are people who troll or simply have little compassion or understanding for others. To them fun is being rude or to garner negative attention to impress those they identify with. The thing is they fail to grasp simple instructions on how to behave let alone how to converse in a normal way or make a joke. A joke to them is a matter of perception but in the end it is how we wanted to be treated. If i treated many of the trolls each day the same way they treat others they would try to demand i show them respect. It would be a battle they would loose as simply it does not occur to them to have class at the end of the day. Only way for a kid to get sick of something is if it is so much they do not like it any more. The community lets it happen nor do they take a proactive role in shaping this community. That is fun and happening. Crying about others being fanboys or making crappy posts about how others suck just shows you the lack of community they have. Most cultures banish those who refuse to fit in. Things change even the trolls. At the end of the day i know that if some guy does not respect me i will tell him off but have respect for my self not to go to his or her level to become what they value. Stupid seems to be the new cool these days. The worse it is the more people think its funny and they never look past today or even tomorrow. Many out grow such things or become better with timing. A joke is not to be spiteful with harmful remarks. A joke is good timing, relevant or funny. pertains to a situation, Has some truth to it. Also you control you as if you expect other people to control you and you have no guidelines then sadly you have no direction in life then will seek to rebel all the time. You must find your worth. I find that the internet has many who are dissatisfied with life so they bring other people down to bring them up. Sadly they are shallow people like your average troll. I think that the community needs to examine things do some soul searching to keep things fun before the fun gets ruined. Then those who troll will feel the hurt as they should have listened when Archronos nuked the flood. The moderators cannot do everything. They need help yet this community not to over do it but to find a balance that works. "Evil wins if good men do nothing."

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