[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Ruckus 2010 What Halo 4 shows is that the Reach engine does have the potential to produce solid gameplay (and by this I primarily mean greatly enhanced gunplay) when it's not being watered down by all these casual-pleasing gimmicks. Halo is still in there somewhere. Hopefully any future TUs flesh that out. I rather doubt it, though.[/quote] Agree with the "[i]Halo is still in there somewhere[/i]" but it will take some deep cuts ... some savage cuts that some will not like. Hopefully they will do this with H5 ... take the hit, take the blame for being the '[i]new studio[/i]' ... and as a result let the game shine again.