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10/29/2004 2:36:35 AM
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Forerunner and a Prophet
[b][color=red]Warning: This thread contains Prophecy and possibly spoilers (I haven't played the game). If you are prone to flaming, you have been warned![/b][/color]
Welcome to my mother of all thread (thus far). For those of you who are familiar with my previous posts on the topic, this is new stuff. I have handpicked several passages from The Word. They're quite frightening at how they are [i]appearently[/i] coincidental... Or I'm just crazy (I like both answers). [i]If anyone would like a list of the passage titles, simply PM me for them and I'll be more than happy to send 'em your way.[/i]
([i]If you are [b]not[/b] a skeptic of my findings, skip this paragraph[/i])
I understand that some (if not, most or all of you) do not believe as I believe. But for all of you skeptics out there, please try to answer these questions:
[color=yellow]Where else do you hear about the Flood wiping out entire populations? Where else do you hear about the Prophets of the Covenant? Where else do you hear about the Reclaimer bringing salvation to mankind?[/color]
With that said, [b][i]let the intrigue begin![/b][/i] (any thoughts I add will be [i]italicised[/i])
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That's an excellent point. The observation of one cannot account for the actual amount of what is being observed. What you see in this thread is an observation that I have seen, and what others add. I'm sure we left out big portions of the entire picture. Many see only the names. Few see stories behind the names. Fewer still see how the stories within halo relate to each other... Need I remind you of the cortana transmissions?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mark117 so far the only connection i have seen is the words,if there are other connections more believeable then bungie choosing plasma weapons for the covenant because of a mention of firebreathing horses in the bible you let me know.[/quote] Solely because you fail to see further connections to the Bible (or other religions, but the point is the stories they tell) doesn't mean they're not there. Just like you failed to see that Bungie has stated there are strong parallels to biblical stories until I quoted them, and then you change your argument to "so far the only connection *i* have seen is the words..."
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[quote][color=red]If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty. But you remain guilty because you claim you can see.[/color][/quote] Thanks for covering my butt while I was at church, Replay0. I'm not telling anyone that they must realise what I realise. I'm offering it in the forums so that anyone interested may hear and understand. [b]If you like halo for the soul purpose of shooting, I'm not going to hold that against you.[/b] In response to saying I have no life... [quote][color=red]So who ever has God's Son has life; whoever does not have His Son does not have life.[/color][/quote] I realise some of my connections may not be as supportive as others. Fine. But I atleast get the point across that Bungie's agenda was also to "mix your medicine with your pudding". I atleast understand the subtle difference in taste between the pudding and the medicine. [Edited on 2/6/2005 1:13:41 PM]
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so far the only connection i have seen is the words,if there are other connections more believeable then bungie choosing plasma weapons for the covenant because of a mention of firebreathing horses in the bible you let me know.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mark117 If you read my entire post you'd see that i actually mentioned each and evry one of those words,my argument is that those words are the ONLY links to the bible and that they are there because there is a group of religious fanatics in the game.My argument is that one shouldnt assume that plot twists can be uncovered from reading the bible.And that obviously ecumenical phrases had to be used since there is a religious group in the game.So next time read the actual post before you flame it.OK?I dint say there wasnt a connection between halo and the bible i said that the connection was a few words nothing else.[/quote] Of course you can use the Bible to get an idea of where a plot twist may be going, it just doesn't mean it's correct. The words are links to the Bible, as are parts of the story and plot twists. It is not "the conneciton was a few words (and) nothing else". [color=white] Chris Butcher: as far as the story, it can be looked at as a biblical allegory. the parallels are stronger than you probably realise, because nobody outside of bungie has more than a corner of the big picture.[/color] Now, do you see how there is more of a connection than just a "few words"?
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If you read my entire post you'd see that i actually mentioned each and evry one of those words,my argument is that those words are the ONLY links to the bible and that they are there because there is a group of religious fanatics in the game.My argument is that one shouldnt assume that plot twists can be uncovered from reading the bible.And that obviously ecumenical phrases had to be used since there is a religious group in the game.So next time read the actual post before you flame it.OK?I dint say there wasnt a connection between halo and the bible i said that the connection was a few words nothing else. [Edited on 2/6/2005 11:18:39 AM]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mark117 What are you talking about?What hints?[/quote] There are solid reasons so many people make references to the Bible when they compare the storyline of Halo and some of the words Bungie decided to use, like "Flood", "Ark", "Covenant", and they would be right to do so.
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What are you talking about?What hints?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mark117 Is it not infinitely more possible and probable that Bungie chose to use the words flood,arc,reclaimers,prophets(is there even any more) because there is a group of religious fanatics in the game? The"evidence" you have provided is abstract and a bit presumptious on your part.Halo 2 is a game,an action game at that,although it has an immersive story with depth i really doubt that bungie had the time nor would have spent the time reading the bible searching for inspiration. The presence of a few biblical terms doesnt prove a thing.I think your a bored,lifeless individual who really would love to think that all of this were real. [/quote] Looks like you didn't do your homework either and fall into the same hole you accuse the original poster of. You missed the big clues from Bungie that said there were meant to be large biblical parallels in this game. Lastly, these threads are all started as theories, not "proof". [Edited on 2/6/2005 10:41:52 AM]
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Is it not infinitely more possible and probable that Bungie chose to use the words flood,arc,reclaimers,prophets(is there even any more) because there is a group of religious fanatics in the game? The"evidence" you have provided is abstract and a bit presumptious on your part.Halo 2 is a game,an action game at that,although it has an immersive story with depth i really doubt that bungie had the time nor would have spent the time reading the bible searching for inspiration. The presence of a few biblical terms doesnt prove a thing.I think your a bored,lifeless individual who really would love to think that all of this were real. Most of your argument seems to revolve around the fact that there are ecumenical phrases in the game.What do you expect from a game with a group of religious fanatics in it?Put yourself in bungie's position.You're throwing ideas around and you've decided that your primary enemy will be a religious cult,what do you call their leaders? Popes?No. Bishops?No Angels?No So you think about their role in the covenant,what do they do?Well they are the ones who collect all of the information,they extrapilate from this and predict what will happen.Another word for this which has a nice biblical sound is to prophesize...Lets call them prophets! Now there will be these superweapons in the game,they're big rings in space,we have a religious cult in the game,what would they call em?Halo comes to mind pretty quickly. Ok now we've decided to introduce this race into the game,monsters and there's gonna be a weapon that can stop them.Now this race is gonna be parasitic it'll spread like wild fire,consume everything thats why these weapons were created.Hmm,let's think,what religious terms could we apply here? How about Flood, a fast spreading parasite and the Arc,the device which can save you from them?Yeah,sounds good. Now what do we call these guys who created and used these rings,they were the ones who used to operate these installation?How about forerunners and the people who come back to reclaim the installation/index shall be the reclaimers. There's no evidence you have provided that cant be explained easily. If you really think you're right about all this then prove it,list all of your evidence in your response and we'll see just how much real evidence there is. [Edited on 2/6/2005 9:53:20 AM]
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...which can be found [url=http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/]here[/url]. Just scroll down to the March 20th section on the left scroll panel. Thanks for the support, DrummDragon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IceWeasel [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Powerhungrymonk dude even though that is sort of cool, your are way too obseesed. it is scripture and this is a freaking game(no offence) there is no conetion[/quote] Have you ever watched the matrix? [i](If someone thinks that Plato is a moldable toy that comes in a yellow can, let him think that. Plato is a Greek philosopher)[/i][/quote] If you don't get how plato relates to the Matrix read Plato's alagory of the cave. Then it will make much more sense.
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Yeah, he's flying a 747 over the ocean. Once everyone dissapears, then he turns back [Edited on 1/31/2005 2:31:47 PM]
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i am familiar with the left behind series.... but i've only watched the 2 dvd's (I and II). If chicago was an intended ...[i](searching for word)[/i]... [b]place of interest[/b] (!) then it would have been mentioned more... perhaps we'll see more out of it in halo 3? [i]([b]IF[/b] it comes)[/i] All in all, I think that the makers of halo simply wanted a small, symetrical in-doors type of map. I could be wrong, but that's what I think. [EDIT] Hey Whitestar! For a second i didn't recognize ya. [Edited on 1/30/2005 1:48:11 PM]
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I know I am really going to be pushing my luck on this one, but let me through it out there and see what you all think. I am sure many of you have heard of the Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. I know I am a big fan. But, as I would like to point out, the main characters in that book come from Chicago. Ben Steele commonly flew out of O'Hare International. I believe his flight at the time of the Rapture was O'Hare to one of the major airports in England. Just throwing that out there as a possible connection.
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yeah. I'm thinking of making a new thread when I get just a little more data, and I will post all (or most of) my finds in this thread within the new one. About the ark. There is an even better verse that bungie might incorporate in the book of Revelations.... I may touch on it in the new thread. About foundations... I don't know. there isn't much information i could glean from the name or the map itself. But I [i]heard[/i] it is just a random building in Chicago.
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In the Book of Revelations (I think) it mentions Jerusalem coming down in glory, like a bride well dressed. Maybe in the next story, the Ark is reborn??? I don't know, I'm just thinking. Also, don't you think the name "Foundations" is a little akward? Even the location doesn't seem to fit. I mean, we haven't even been near the area Foundation is located in.
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Do you think there is any way for you to post all your theories together? [Edited on 1/30/2005 10:16:14 AM]
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Thanks guys, I dig the support. To Kulko: Actually, I have considered both. More so the website, seeing how it could be more accessible to the multitudes.... however a book could be more mobile [i]( i could go on listing reasons)[/i]. Before I do come out with either [i](plans not [b]currently[/b] pending)[/i], I would suggest that anyone interested could read a very good and quick book called [u]The Gospel Reloaded[/u]. As for the origin of the cortana messages... I wasn't around when they initially popped up, but from what I can tell, it must have been similar to the [url=http://www.ilovebees.com]I love bees[/url] craze, but perhaps on a smaller scale. And yes, I do have a hard file containing [i]MOST[/i] of my work listed in this thread. I will work on sending it to you immediately. Of course, I do omit certain finds due to their credibility. Some may need more concrete evidence, others may seem too much of a stretch to the casual reader. At any rate, there are many more out there yet to be discovered/revealed. In Truth, ~Weasel [Edited on 1/27/2005 6:43:32 PM]
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Hey Ice after two days i finally read this whole thread. You need a website... or a book... anyways i have a couple of questions. First of all, how did the Cortana letters originate? I read the link but it boggles me. And also do you have all this info compiled on your computer? 'cuz it would be awsome if you could email me a condensed version of this jumbled information. At any rate I'm also a christian and I (obviously) noticed the savior-like MC and divinely 'insane' prophets, but what you have is really insightful. An idea: in correlation with the Moses-Arbiter correlation it's obvious he and a group of elites have joined the humans in the end and I believe it's largely possible that a much larger number of elites will join the humans and/or battle the rest of the Covenant in light of switches in power (i.e. royal guards switching, Truth being last prophet, etc.) Also ( I haven't even looked into this at all yet ) a random idea I had was a possible connection between the skulls and the seals/trumpets/bowls in the book of Revelation- I will look into it, though it doesn't seem very likely. At any rate the thread is great keep it up. God bless [Edited on 1/26/2005 8:28:14 PM]
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due icant wait to aer some more stuff irelly like the fact that halo isnt just agame but has a strong relgious meaning too
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I love your forum its great. god bless
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more? perhaps... give me time. I need to rest and clear my mind... ...perhaps your motive in seeking a Bible shouldn't be backed by a video game... ...but i'm not going to stop you [i](how could i?)[/i]. At any rate, I use the New Living translation.
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hmm sacrifce one ( galaxy ) for the good of the many! ( where have i heard that before......?) and 52 sounds like something Gravemind would say to a prophet. any more coming? i,m loving this i might even go and buy a bible! fancy that, a game is making me interested in the bible! [Edited on 1/23/2005 9:36:16 PM]
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1) about 46-48 : that has crossed my mind. 2) about 52 : that's what I intended [i](as far as the prophet of truth..... guilty spark wanted the index to be used for the sake of life outside of the milky way)[/i]
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once again ice thanx for posting the passage. if i may, does this part hint at the original firing of the halo's and 343GS saying to MC "why do you hesitate to do what you have done before" ? 46-48 [b]For you build tombs for the very prophets your ancestors killed long ago. Murderers! You agree with your ancestors that what you did was right. You would have done the same yourselves.[/b] and does this section refer to the index needed to fire the halo's 52 "How terrible it will be for you experts in religious law! For you hide the key to knowledge from the people. You don't enter the Kingdom yourselves, and you prevent others from entering" just thinking out loud ;) [Edited on 1/23/2005 7:15:08 PM]
