first off kid, let me say that yes your right, camping is a legit tactic, but the last time i checked, and please refer to the original halo, and halo2 before the update that the game is a run and gun game, hence the duel wielding and all of the many other choice's you have in the two game's. the new update changed the original gameplay for which we all loved so much. i'm not saying anything other then that. if everyone wanted to just camp then hell just put a sniper in everyone's hand's then too! i DID NOT expect after waiting in line for hour's for this game, and the anticipated update it so desprately needed (cause just cause a map anomily is present it should be used mentality by all of the pothetic cheater's on this game) after logging in more hour's then could be humanly imagined, that the entire gameplay of halo2 which is a sequal for a reason, get's changed. i DONT HAVE TO BE HAPPY ABOUT IT! HENCE THESE LEGITIMATE POST'S! i'm speaking what's on my mind, and what some feel is a waste of time to even bother! me on the other hand feel's that if unless the disatisfaction isn't voiced by the general public then again the one's that cheated before still have the advantage they had before the updating took place. they cheated cause their NO GOOD at the up close and personal style fighting that took place on the original, and the second edition of halo!!! i dont recall that everywhere you look on any of these map's that you had the chance to get this many battle riffle's in so many team memeber's hand's? do you? NO CAUSE IT WAS A STRATEGIC WEAPON THAT WAS PLACED ON THE MAP, AND FOR JUST THE REASON THAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT! CAMPING ='S BORING AND MONATINOUS! if thier god's to then fine, but to me thier not!!!! they made a mistake, and if you read hundred's of post's in these forums, then you will see THAT I'M NOT, AND I MEAN NOT THE ONLY ONE. oh yeah, last time i checked the general public is what make's this game possible! without us buying this product(which i know if they dont fix it, their not going to get alot of people paying for halo3 on the next xbox system) they dont put food on thier table's! so we as player's do have a choice as to what were going to pay for! so what's your responce going to be now? oh let me guess, you'll probably say the same thing over and over with no merrit behind it, like the majority of the 12 to 20 year old's in these forum's. YOUR TALKING LOUD, BUT NOT SAYING ANY ANYTHING, other then bashing other people's opinion's!!!!! i'm not posting this for anyone's opinion or enjoyment to debate this issue! i'm posting it here hoping that the people that work at bungie actually read how unhappy this update made the masses! ok i'm done wasting my energy on this, so if they dont read this or take action then the used game store's will have a ton of these new coaster's flooding their shelve's for you to repurchase for when you get your's scratched! [Edited on 5/6/2005]