Wow dude you're right. I didn't even think of that. -blam!- money hungry -blam!-es.

[b]Please keep BTB skirmish ranked.[/b] [i]pretty please...[/i] I like Halo, but I love playing BTB more than any other playlist. Halo won't be fun anymore. And what no 8v8 in the unranked? WTF? Where do you guys get these stupid ideas? Statistics? People will, and always will wait to get a BTB game in a ranked playlist. It was the first game type I ever played, and it will probably be my [b]last[/b], if this [b]pointless "playlist elimination"[/b] takes effect. [b] EDIT : [/B]IT'S ALL ABOUT THE [B]MONEY[/B]. BUNGIE ACTUALLY WANTS US TO [B]STOP PLAYING HALO 2, AND "UP" OUR DESIRE TO PLAY HALO 3 SO THEY SELL MORE INITIAL GAMES, PERIOD [I] BIG F---ING PERIOD[/I].[/B] [Edited on 04.16.2007 1:12 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JumpNinja I have a challenge for Bungie, and anybody else that cares what happens to matchmaking- read through these posts. All of them- page one to five. Then, read the total amount of generally ignorant posts. Then look at the quickly slapped together "NOOO, not the ranks!" posts. Last, but not least, start clicking fricking gamertags. Click on them. I dare you. After this excercise, compare the total amount of ignorance, stupidity, pre-pubescense, and contradictions to the loss of ranked variants to the total players ranging over level 37, the number of non-linked gamers, and the total amount of 'brand new' tags. Now, if your rank exceeds of the extent of your skill, or your new tag is up and running after your three month died- and this means you, cheaters- divide the total amount your highest gamertag level by two, and then calculate the square root. That number, rounded to the nearest whole number is the total percentage of human brainpower you are capable of using. Divide that by two, and you have the percentage rating of how much anyone gives a rat damn what you think. GTFO, and go back to your homework. On the other hand, I should start noting every time a cheater jumps on to Bnet to say "if joo remoov ranket macthmaken, i want play Halo aymore." I could use them all as references for why the ranks should be removed. Plus, it generally proves the level of intelligence going on out there. Update: The answer is two definite cheaters, three possible cheaters, a ton of non-linked gamertags, and a sleugh of tags fresh to Halo within the past month. Social experiment made simplified for you. Oh, and one of those definite cheaters was mentioning being in the beta.[/quote] You are a very unhappy person. Did your mom hug you enough as a child?

The other peice of equpiment could be a portable grav lift you can see 00:23 into the clip where a spartan can clearly be seen grav lifting up to kill the spartan in the turret.

:D New maps tomorrow! I can't wait, and while I, too, was bummed about the de-ranking of RP (couldn't care less about btb), I think it'll all work out, anyway. I'm just gonna try to have fun with the new maps, and then move on to the beta, and then it'll only be a few months till release, and then who gives a flying rat's ass about Halo 2? :P Jk. Thanks Bungie. Oh, and to the comment about the bar being Halo 2 when it should be Halo 1.......... I think it's time to move on, guys. If you like Halo 1, go play Halo 1.... this is Halo 3 we're talking about, which ... um, comes after 2. So that's why 2 is the bar. :P

so when will the new maps be avalile in the UK

Die? That seems harsh. For those of you that just read the update and are furious about BTB and Skirmish changes, please check out this thread and let me know what you think. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=10548138] "BTB and Skirmish playlists: a workable solution" [/url] Things will NOT stay the way they are, but perhaps this is a good compromise.

i think i will stop Playing halo 2 now that btb is unranked me and about 50 of my friends play btb skirmish all the time if you dont bring 8 vs 8 ranked within the next month you will see a noticeable drop in online players! BUNGIE YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS AND YOU SHOULD ALL DIE FOR THIS TRANSGRESSION!

before anything, lemme get this out: I love Halo 2. its a blast. I love Bungie; uve always given me something unique. Im NOT to be identified with the " OMG u didnt tll us bout a new gun or info OMG updates stink!!!!111!!" group. those are the incompetents who didnt even read the post where you said, clearly, that updates were (on a normal basis) primarly for insight into life and love at Bungie. I understand, and GREATLY aprrecciate what youve given us. I personally think Halo 2's matchmaking is BETTER than most. at least in Halo 2, theres no host shottie (ahem GoW ahem) thers a slight advantage, and thats it. usally, a little strategy fixes that up real quick. nyway, ppl dont camp one map and gametype, and going up agianst a team who knows each other when urs doesnt does not destroy any hope of winning. I love Matchmaking, and am a severe advocate of u guys and ur hard work. but, when i see this big a deal, i must speak. and, seeing how 9 pages have gone by without any official reaction, or even a link to one in another forum, i must assume this isnt just a big misunderstanding, where there was a good honest reason for this. i cant find one, and if there is one, id love to hear it. oh, and there are plenty of ppl on said dead playlists. i normally get a list filled nearly instantly; the actually configuring after the other 7 have joined usually takes longer. first: Halo 3. sweet! i dunno why everyone says teh graphics suck. its THE FREAKIN ALPHA! oh, and for an alpha build, the graphics werent bad. the action looks better paced. i hope that the vids where a dozen (or more) guys all meet in one place and start brawling is realistic. that would be SWEET, and itd give a more realistic WAR feel. Im hoping and praying that they have found some way to at least downsize certain, ahem, tactics that (ahem) not so good players use (cough-noob combo/ sword camping -cough) we can only hope, though. cant wait to play the Beta next month!!!!! next: Halo 2. aaaaaaaahhh, come on... like its been said, Rumble Pit (formally known as Rumble Training, R.I.P.) will go from an extremly fast paced, tense match of skilled adversaries, to assassinating DrgnSlayaz 223124 while he's trying to figure out how to pick up a Plasma Pistol. oh, joy. also, to those who say that it's ALREADY a noob/nade fest all the time, um, no. that only happens partially, and when it does, thats just another challenge to overcome. try teaming up with others; its not illegal. ive done it, and said over-powered party quickly finds himself (herself) dying before he (she) can ever get his (her) precious plasma pistol or sword back. or quitting. booyah. why must BTB Skirmish be tainted by the touch of unranked playlists? I always loved any match where everyone stayed and it was 16 person carnage. thus, the effect of a RANKED match. no, rank doesnt change the seasons and make the moon spin, but it a least gives many ppl enough respect and honor to stick it out. unranked gives us a bunch of team killers and quitters. woopdy-doo. unranked BTB slayer was ok; ocassionaly, you got a large group of at least decent players who are willing to dedicate 5-10 minutes of their life to something. I have never been in a large, active clan, nor do i have more than 2 or 3 buds online at a time. therefore, i cant personally defend the loss of clan matches and BTB Skirmish in that respect. the huge outcry that has come forth is enough for me. as i said above; i love bungie and halo and halo 2 and halo matchmaking. its a blast. i still play them as much as GoW; even more so nowdays, in prep for da Beta of course. nyways, i am the first person to respect the makers of something of this magnitude, and those who put the hard work in to give us a game that changed console FPS gaming and saved the Xbox from damnation to a hell of 3-star third party games. however; the recent change in playlists has me worried. first you cut clan matches; ok, ur judgement call. it made many angry, but we accepted it. ur call. now, our BTB skirmish is gone, and our beloved ranked R Pit has disappeared, and its name slapped on Rumble Training. The cuts dont add up to the online difficulty-to-find-games. see above arguement. nyways, my big, huge-Halo 2-section-of-da-post encompassing question is this: what's next? how long till Team Slayer falls to the level of unranked? and once it falls, how fast will an unranked (dear heavens no!) Team Snipers hit our list? the downhill roll has had its up points (Carnage, BTB Skirmish, Clan matches, etc.), but all of those are gone now. im just afriad that Halo 2 online will fall, crippled (if not dead) upon "lack of players". give back our playlists, and that problem will disappear. that combined w da new maps will give 2 through the Beta, and then to 3s release date, and even farther maybe. keep cutting the things ppl play for, and you kill the game. I trust you guys, but even the wisest of men need advice sometimes. This is just the concern of a dedicated gamer, who has hopefully solidified many of the outcries by his peers. the ones with brains, that is. please Bungie, we trust you. please, please don't let us down. it was said that hitting the bar of Halo 2 was a moving target; im just afraid that said bar is slowly sinking towards the floor. -a dedicated fan, and hope-to-be general of Bungie's new world order, Sam

Bungie keep Big Team Skirmish!

I love the "We're getting rid of Rumble Training" when the're making rumble pit unranked. Why get rid of BTB Skirmish? They should of merged slayer and skirmish to make Big Team Battle ranked. BTB was my favorite and first game I played in 04. Those were good times. Do what you please. I thought it was cool that the shield rolled. At least Double Team is still ranked. Anyway I'll be sure to buy the maps and try to have a good time, peace. - ArtificialDemon

this update was both informative...and a heartbreak....dont get me wrong, its nice to see that bungie is finaly doing sumthing to aid in the fight against cheaters, but gettin rid of BTB Skrimy??? wheres the great logic in that frackin idea???? honestly??? where is it????....iuno....at first i thought i would hae tp plead and begg my parents to let me get the new maps since theri coming to the old-school box, but now, after readin that btb is going down the drain....i dont even see the point... i guess that il go off to bf2...and ill think about coming back to h3...if i ever buy a 360....what a waste...in a week or two, ppl are still going to be complaing about how their still gettin cheated, stand-byed, and modded on...but btb will no longer be the same....it wont even be fun...skrimy was the greatest because it got a number of ppl together ( perferably 8 that knew each other) and matched them against another team of ppl...and they fought to accomplish a common objective...either capturing the flag, or arming the bomb... (good side note, today i was playing with a few clan membersm and it was multi-bomb on containment...it was down to the last min of the game, and i just run up the front of the building, and jump into the arm spot...and this was with 13 seconds left...i start to spinn in circles, and i get the bomb barly armed b4 one single guy runs up and kills me...and then i go into the respawn screen, and lord behold, the bomb arms and plants...in the LAST 3 seconds of the game...it was awsome!!) and it gives a team something else to do besides running all over the map trying to kill who-ever they happen to run into...slayer is extreamly fun....especially in btb...but not when you have to go thur 50 slayer games to play 10 skrimy games...seriously, thats how it was before they split skrimy and slayer..and now its going back...like i said, what a WASTE...

i cant wait till we get an update about the "Portapotty"

lol screw the update [b]DO NOT REMOVE BTB SKIRMISH FROM RANKED.[/b] This is the first Game type I played, and will probably be the last I play on Halo 2. F the new maps. I honestly can't see the rationale being sufficient to remove my favorite playlist. Please reconsider this. I guarantee you people will Stop Playing Halo 2 Just because of This. They would rather play unranked BTB than anything else... please don't make it unranked. This update is just bad news for me. I don't even care about the new maps... If they remove BTB skirm from ranked, I'm done with the whole game, cuz that's really all I play... [Edited on 04.16.2007 12:57 PM PDT]

Yay for updates!!!!!

I don't know why they kept the X button a secret for so long. It really doesn't do anything interesting, unless you think dropping a mine is something revolutionary.

I will really miss playing BTB because I'll only play it if it's ranked. If I want to play unranked I'll start a custom game but to make BTB only have a max of 12 people and unranked is a big mistake on Bungie's part.

is there seriously somehow more of a demand for team hardcore than BTB? hopefully somehow the new maps bring alot of people back, and then BTB will get more action for the 3 or 4 days until its destroyed and this becomes a 4 on 4 game. [Edited on 04.15.2007 1:00 PM PDT]

Hm... I think I might get one month of XBOX Live just to get the new maps. Tombstone looks sooooo cool. Good update! [Edited on 04.15.2007 12:56 PM PDT]

3d studio max mister chief... or is it?

i gotta say i am so pissed off about the beta. im probly not gonna get to play it because i dont wanna buy -blam!- crackdown. this is -blam!- stupid. anyone who reserved halo 3 legendary should automatically get to play the beta. selfish idiots.

ya well it blows that they made it unranked. and plus now we can only have up to 12 people in a BTB game at a time. thats not really a BIG TEAM BATTLE thats wut 1 or 2 more guys on ur team campared with Team Skirmish

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] evdy I was pumped for all the changes until i saw you're unranking btb skirmish. All the ranked playlists are so similar why take out the the ones that differ. I can understand rumble pit...it is a really bad playlist, you guys really screwed that one up. BTB Skirmish is the only different playlist, the reason there are less games is becuase it takes longer to match up because there are more people. Now there is ranked team skirmish and ranked team hardcore...which are pretty much the same cept one has radar and a few different gametypes. I say drop snipers, there are too many playlists that are just for killing or make it unranked. There is Team Slayer which is enough to cover snipers. All the ranked playlists cept double team are 4v4, that is rediculous there should be variety. Even double team is just a different version of slayer! BTB Skirmish should be ranked it is a classic playlist along with slayer, skirmish. If you want more games then make changes so it is easier to match up, and make it 5-8 players a team instead of 6-8. PLEASE KEEP BTB SKIRMISH.....I REALLY DONT SEE A NEED TO PLAY ANYMORE IF IT IS GONE, ALONG WITH A LOT OF MY FRIENDS. [/quote] Not that I'm complaining as much as all the other whiners on this forum but it does kind of suck for the people that love BTB, I can deal with the 6v6 because I never have friends on halo and when I do it's 5 friends, too much to play any of my favorite playlists, so we go into BTB, but 6v6 works for me. And I've seen people whining about the Rumble pit being unranked now, BOO HOO!!!!!!!!!! I saw a kid that said bye my 21, I used to play that type a lot, I got up to a 22 then quit, why you ask? BECAUSE IT'S NOT AT ALL TEAM ORIENTED!!!!! It's a grenade and noob fest, the people that win are the people with the noobest weapons and the most grenades!!!!!!!!! You want a real gametype? Get 3 of your friends together and go into a TS or Team Snipers game, that's where the real killing skill is, don't like having to kill people? First off your playing the wrong game, but then go into a Team Skirmish game and find your real skill. Ok so I did whine, but you guys don't understand something, Bungie has to keep THEIR game flowing smoothly, if you don't like the changes, go play GOW for a few hours, the online play sucks so bad that you'll quickly come back to Halo! I do think that for Halo 3 they should have a custom game type that you can join someone elses game, that's the only change that I'm truly hoping for

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haha no more bad kids getting high ranks

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GANNONSMASH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oD Guardian [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thelastspartin9 what? whining? I am going too. I work two jobs 7 days a week. the only time I have to talk to my friends is over XBL we live all a cross the U.S. And we LOVE HALO. their is NO REASON to take off BTB SKIRMISH from the playlist. WE as gamers are the ones that made bungie what it is today. Yes they made the game. But it was are money that bought it. And it is US that play it every week. I have two G-TAGS and I have played in over 1500 BTB games. And yes I will say at times it might take a few minutes to find a game, BUT IT IS WORTH IT DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! All I can think is that bungie is looking to pull out what it can from halo 2. So when halo 3 hits we will be so hungry for the game types that we miss we will play more. BUT watch look at the online numbers for halo on bungies page after a few weeks of the new play list the numbers for halo 2 will fall hard.. unless the stop screwing up the playlist. bungie I love you guys but you can't mess with halo like that. it just ani't right... R.I.P BTB SKIRMISH[/quote] Didnt you read...unranked BTB. [/quote]But now objectives and deathmathes are mixed together. I hate BTB Slayer.[/quote] Ok so you might get slayer matches...just camp and hurl grenades and its over before you know it.