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12/3/2012 2:42:18 AM
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Question on specifics of NSFW and ToU "obscenity"

Related: [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76127831[/url] After the locking of the above thread, Foman encouraged us to make a new thread that called to question the specifics on what we should and should not consider objectionable content under NSFW. While such matters will always have a gray area, the rules are largely useless in aiding those who are confused as to what content would be considered obscene in the workplace. Obscenity itself can mean many things, it is a matter of ethics and is often backed by law, and in certain countries it can related to speech, adult films, or even the dress of certain people (ie: Burqas). It is too much to ask for every single objectionable content to be listed; however, a guideline on another side or perhaps the laws and court rulings of a specific state or region may be helpful. Much is questionable, because in certain areas adult films may be obscene, and in others they are perfectly legal. Recently, the rules and even the Code of Conduct have been heavily simplified in a move to make them more readable. However, this move ultimately made it much more difficult for users who wish to post questionable material and are unsure whether it would be in accordance with the rules. While adult pictures and films are specified by the moderation team as unfit, I am confused as to what standard, or perhaps what workplace in NSFW, this stems from. I conclude this a layover question for Atomic Tea, sorry to waste space, but the previous thread was locked.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea 2: Nudity (exposed skin, since you want me to be ultra-specific) falls under the "What is safe, and not safe for work" category. It doesn't matter what your place of employment is. Bungie.net has members that are under the age of 18, and thus you cannot post that kind of material, even if it is considered "safe" in your line of work. Why? Because it violates U.S. law and thus the Bungie Code of Conduct.[/quote] We're talking about adult materials, not nudity in the workplace, right? I am unfamiliar with a law that prohibits viewing adult film in the workplace, or the viewing of adult films by someone under the age of 18 (not to be confused with adult films depicting someone under the age of 18). Could you tell me which federal laws these are? I would like to know. [Edited on 12.02.2012 6:43 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Papa Rich [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 This is how rules work. You can't have rules (any rules, be it the law, corporate policy, school behavioral guidelines) without people discussing their limits. It's just not possible. You can make idiotic assumptions and whine all you want. I don't care about your feelings. Wah, wah, wah, you have to think. I'm going to ask all the questions I want, thanks. Because this is how rules are made, through people asking what they can or can't do and enforcers answering. [/quote]Here's the thing. You aren't involved in making the rules. So how they are made is not relevant. Bungie has a specific culture they are trying to create and maintain with these rules. It is their design, not a democratic process. The rules are formatted the way they are for a few reasons. Simplicity is prefered. As Recon pointed out, we've been on the other side of his spectrum before. It was unpleasant for both sides. The community is not burdened with keeping track of all the minor subsets of rules, just a broad view of behavior. It is then up to each individual to use common sense and their own power of observation to comply. Will some people be slapped on be wrist because of this? Sure, but it's much easier on the community as a whole. Moderators are chosen because they seem to have a grasp on the common sense Bungie is shooting for. The simplicity of the rules allows for some minor inconsistencies which are bound to arise. You cannot have total uniformity in judgement. Please do not accuse anyone of making idiotic assumptions or whining. Neither is taking place. It is just being explained to you as clearly as possible. If this does not suffice, well then, there is always the trial and error method. That or make your own site.[/quote] I have never asked for perfection. As I have said (and you have ignored me saying) many times, there are inconsistencies even when dealing with laws where people's freedom or even their lives are on the line. So I don't expect perfect consistency here, either. But the mods here can be all over the place with their enforcement. People can get banned for posting things that mods themselves post. Just because I am not involved in making the rules doesn't mean that I can't question them. Bob was assuming that we are questioning the rules not because that is how rules have been treated since the dawn of time, but because we want to exploit them. It's the online version of saying "I didn't lose that race because I didn't train as hard as my opponent. The referee likes my opponent better/ my opponent cheated/ these officials are blind" without any evidence.

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