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12/3/2012 2:42:18 AM
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Question on specifics of NSFW and ToU "obscenity"

Related: [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76127831[/url] After the locking of the above thread, Foman encouraged us to make a new thread that called to question the specifics on what we should and should not consider objectionable content under NSFW. While such matters will always have a gray area, the rules are largely useless in aiding those who are confused as to what content would be considered obscene in the workplace. Obscenity itself can mean many things, it is a matter of ethics and is often backed by law, and in certain countries it can related to speech, adult films, or even the dress of certain people (ie: Burqas). It is too much to ask for every single objectionable content to be listed; however, a guideline on another side or perhaps the laws and court rulings of a specific state or region may be helpful. Much is questionable, because in certain areas adult films may be obscene, and in others they are perfectly legal. Recently, the rules and even the Code of Conduct have been heavily simplified in a move to make them more readable. However, this move ultimately made it much more difficult for users who wish to post questionable material and are unsure whether it would be in accordance with the rules. While adult pictures and films are specified by the moderation team as unfit, I am confused as to what standard, or perhaps what workplace in NSFW, this stems from. I conclude this a layover question for Atomic Tea, sorry to waste space, but the previous thread was locked.[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea 2: Nudity (exposed skin, since you want me to be ultra-specific) falls under the "What is safe, and not safe for work" category. It doesn't matter what your place of employment is. Bungie.net has members that are under the age of 18, and thus you cannot post that kind of material, even if it is considered "safe" in your line of work. Why? Because it violates U.S. law and thus the Bungie Code of Conduct.[/quote] We're talking about adult materials, not nudity in the workplace, right? I am unfamiliar with a law that prohibits viewing adult film in the workplace, or the viewing of adult films by someone under the age of 18 (not to be confused with adult films depicting someone under the age of 18). Could you tell me which federal laws these are? I would like to know. [Edited on 12.02.2012 6:43 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dibbs089 Why not try having an actual dialog instead of resorting to the same infantile talking points which inhabit every thread questioning the rule?[/quote] Nowhere in my contract does it specify that I have to suffer fools gladly, nor that I have to humor them when they drag out a topic for the better part of three pages with nitpicking and goalpost moving. I'm a janitor, not a greeter. DeeJ holds your hand and guides you across the street; I clean up the mess when you get run over.[/quote]The beauty of the internet is that you can pretty much be whatever you choose to be. The two roles you posted aren't mutually exclusive and, for better or worse there are going to be those that look to you as a standard for proper behavior. With that being said I'd like to address your "suffer no fools" comment. Why is it that asking for clarification of the rules earns users the label "fool", "troll", "troublemaker" or any of the other titles with negative connotations? When did legitimate curiosity become tacitly discouraged? You're the one labeling the OP a fool and addressing him with the assumption that this is all some sort of joke at the moderation team's expense designed to make them look stupid. I've made similar posts and threads and have gotten the same response. It's extremely frustrating especially when the only thing being asked for is further clarification (which, if you're punishing people for breaking these rules, should be very easy for you to put into words - it's simply your thoughts on the matter). But you are right - you don't have to suffer nor humor fools. You also don't have to post content that disparages individuals on the assumption that they must be a troll. I'd say that doing that violates the "don't be a jerk" rule, but as this thread and many other have established, all users don't see eye to eye on the rules. Maybe we just have different interpretations on how large a breadth that rule has.

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