[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owned Maybe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owned Maybe [/quote] Except for, you know, that whole thing where "most players and administrators continue to insist that fighting stay as a permanent element of organized ice hockey" [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_in_ice_hockey#Efforts_to_ban_fighting]see here[/url]. That there is recognized etiquette to fights in hockey is another example that, at the NHL level, it is considered part of the game. I never said that fighting is what makes hockey manly. I'm merely pointing out that, for the NHL, most players, administrators, coaches, staff and commissioners recognize that it is part of the game. To be honest, what makes Hockey manly, as far as I'm concerned is the speed, hits, grit and toughness the players exhibit. You can't be a wuss and play Hockey. You'll just get really badly hurt.[/quote] You can show me all the articles you want. Until they remove the penalty for fighting, it's not a part of the game.[/quote] I took issue with your statement that it's not a part of the game. Which was completely separate from whether or not fighting makes something manly. In the NHL it is part of the game. Banning it has been brought up, but has been turned down every time because it is considered by the majority of players, owners, coaches, administrators and fans to be part of the game. Until it is banned I will consider it part of the game.