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12/9/2012 11:03:59 AM
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Why did the prehistoric humans not ask for help against the Flood?

So Humanity attacked and conquered other peaceful planets even Forerunner planets because they were fleeing for the Flood. After a 1000 year during war that eventually was born between the Humans and the Forerunners, the Humans were simply exhausted. The Forerunners almost exterminated the Humans and wanted to punish them etc... . After the Humans were devolved, the Forerunners learned that the Humans weren't actually attacking the Forerunners but fleeing from the parasite named the Flood. It was simply an act of survival. Now i wonder, how did i take a 1000 years to discover and understand the true nature of a war? If forerunners themselves were such an (almost) enlightened species they could have easily discovered the true reason of the sudden Human hostility despite their rivalry. -Couldn't the Humans just simply ask Forerunners to aid them in the battle against the Flood? The Forerunners saw themselves as the Guardians of the known galaxy, so they should have helped if needed, they were forced to help. -And even during the war that lasted 1000 years there must have been any trace of the Flood? -How many conversations can there be in a millenium? -How many interrogations during the war has there been? If i were a Forerunner and i would capture a Human, i would at first ask on which argument they attack. Or when Humans cleansed the surfaces of the Forerunner shield worlds, i as a Forerunner would simply ask why and then the Humans could have told about the parasite. No the Forerunners just reacted with a full scale armada.

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  • Where is it stated that the war lasted 1000 years ? Otherwise, i agree.

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  • plot hole

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  • Because contrived plot beat is contrived. The writers wanted the outcome we now have, so they forced the reasons for it. Just notice how the humans in one of Halo 4's terminals are under the pressure of time when they destroyed the Forerunner colony, that's how forced it is. Were all other events surrounding the war equally contrived, no room whatsoever for the slightest bit of communication, no [i]radio[/i], no data, etc? Just leave a sign for -blam!- sake. No one was ever captured, cornered, or similar, and decided to reason with them in the midst of battle? Again, as seen in the Halo 4 terminal video, they still went in with [i]regular[/i] soldiers. And I don't buy that the Forerunner wouldn't have believed them, as OP implied; such a high tier civilisation would be objective and analytical about something as serious as war. [Edited on 12.09.2012 4:26 AM PST]

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  • Because the whole idea of prehistoric humans is bull-blam!- and I would slap the person who thought of it in the face if I met him/her.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka[/quote] Have you completely forgotten the past 11 years of Halo's story or something? It has been [i]consistently[/i] stated that the Forerunners waited too long to join the fight, believing that they could study and sterilise the threat from afar because they never knew its full significance. The constantly reoccurring theme with the Forerunners is that their hubris was their downfall. As far as the Forerunners knew, humanity was the enemy - after the many thousands of years of struggling for power with the Forerunners and humans engaging in multiple wars, it simply appeared to the Forerunners that humanity was making their move against them. All they knew was that humanity was eradicating entire planets, razing them to the ground leaving no trace of the planet because "one single Flood spore can destroy the species". It was only late into the Human-Flood war that they started moving into Forerunner territory, even then it was remote planets like Seaward far away from the Capitol. Humanity was constantly on the run, chasing down new worlds to move their population away from the Flood, but the Flood was pursuing them. They warn the Forerunners on the planet, the Flood is given time to spread faster and assimilate more of the population. It's not contrived at all, it's genuine desperation on the part of humanity who have been chased across the galaxy and pushed to measure that violate the Mantle of the Forerunners. As far as they knew, humanity was the enemy. They most likely [i]wouldn't[/i] be believed by the Ecumene Council because of the thousands of years of conflict between the two races, there would have been no evidence for the Forerunners to see that the Flood even existed, let alone that it was a threat, since humanity was forced to wipe every last trace of it on the worlds they fled to. [Edited on 12.09.2012 6:34 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka[/quote] Have you completely forgotten the past 11 years of Halo's story or something? It has been [i]consistently[/i] stated that the Forerunners waited too long to join the fight, believing that they could study and sterilise the threat from afar because they never knew its full significance. The constantly reoccurring theme with the Forerunners is that their hubris was their downfall. As far as the Forerunners knew, humanity was the enemy - after the many thousands of years of struggling for power with the Forerunners and humans engaging in multiple wars, it simply appeared to the Forerunners that humanity was making their move against them. All they knew was that humanity was eradicating entire planets, razing them to the ground leaving no trace of the planet because "one single Flood spore can destroy the species". It was only late into the Human-Flood war that they started moving into Forerunner territory, even then it was remote planets like Seaward far away from the Capitol. Humanity was constantly on the run, chasing down new worlds to move their population away from the Flood, but the Flood was pursuing them. They warn the Forerunners on the planet, the Flood is given time to spread faster and assimilate more of the population. It's not contrived at all, it's genuine desperation on the part of humanity who have been chased across the galaxy and pushed to measure that violate the Mantle of the Forerunners. As far as they knew, humanity was the enemy. They most likely [i]wouldn't[/i] be believed by the Ecumene Council because of the thousands of years of conflict between the two races, there would have been no evidence for the Forerunners to see that the Flood even existed, let alone that it was a threat, since humanity was forced to wipe every last trace of it on the worlds they fled to.[/quote] The Council could just as easily have assumed the Flood was a human bioweapon, and their warning was an attempt to deflect the blame from themselves (which is what they thought anyway). While they're stuck in negotiations, the Flood keeps tearing it up over both Empires. Hell, by the time the Forerunners waged war with the Flood 10,000 years later, they had the exact same policy of destroying the parasite: "if the Flood make landfall on a planet, the planet is doomed. Nuke it from orbit." Because evacuating civillians would have just taken time they didn't have, and granted the Flood more ships in that time. So it does appear that he's forgotten everything about the Flood. Amazing how people conveniently forget details to better suit their own opinions. OT: Op, the two didn't really like each other. As we've said a warning would have resulted in lengthy talks that would have seen that planet consumed in days, maybe faster. People so often underestimate the Flood's speed, but the characters can't afford to do that. Forthenco was desperate, and he had to destroy the planet. [Edited on 12.09.2012 7:34 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307[/quote] Yes, the Forerunners hybris was their downfall, they waited to long, etc. What you've written does lay logic for the tension between them, and why it must have been a complicated and confusing time, but there's just one significant detail that overshadows everything, I'll never buy that a couple of spacefaring, slipsteaming, near intergalactic civilisations, would not be able to get a simple message across, and have it taken seriously. [i]"Urrgh! more messages from the humans, claiming they're in conflict with a ruthless parasite, next.."[/i] The humans could have sent them equipment all they knew about the parasite just in case. Of course there would be a risk involved, but it's not like the Halo saga clearly layed down a rule about humanity having [i]cried wolf[/i] several times, or that the Forerunner were so utterly dumb and in [b]denial[/b] that they would refuse to hear out an empire that was roughly the size of their own. Once apon a time, the Forerunners downfall was their hybris, it was one of their most apparent character traits; classic storytelling. But leter on, the ancient human empire was added. Fine, but adding humanity, would mean that the Forerunner would have to remain in character and act after it in order to be what they were and do what they did when the time came; underestimate the Flood, fire the rings, and retire in shame. We couldn't have them swallow their pride to help the humans now, could we? That would mean that they weren't as high up on the hubris scale would it, or that they would have to regain it[b]*[/b], and humanity can't survive, that would mess with the desired outcome? [b]*[/b]Sidenote: At first I though that having them fight together for a while but have the humans betray the Forerunners would work, but that would mess with another desired outcome; that the Flood supposedly left because of the human sacrefice. [url=http://youtu.be/C76rnDdsIF4]Halo 4 Terminal[/url]:[i] -Lord of admirals, we are in possition of the Forerunner planet. -Show me. -Population numbering over two billion, Forerunner ships on alert and inbound. -Is it possible, have we gotten ahead of it? -Flood infestation detected, my Lord.. -Damn it! -My Lord, the infestation is in a remote local, perhaps if we warn the Forerunners? -If we warn them we give the Flood time to spread, you know we have no choice.. cleanse the planet. *cuts to heavily infected Forerunner architecture*[/i] Would you agree with me if I say that the humans were portrayed as sympathising and conflicted, believing that they had no choice, that they didn't want to? Cause that would establish that they didn't regard the Forerunners as an enemy that they wouldn't even consider to warn, so why not try to warn them in the future? Did exactly all the scenarios play out the same, how long were they fighting again? Flood landed on the planet, and Forerunner ships are inbound, yet the Forerunners don't know about the Flood (the humans must have tracked it there)? If he meant that the inbound ships were infected, wouldn't he have detected it, and why would he even bring up it being in a remote local (the maps showed that it was on the surface) if that was the case? What happened to the inbound ships? How many Forerunner colonies were attacted before humanity made it there? Are the humans faster at finding and traveling to Forerunner colonies than the Forerunner themselves? Did the Flood only test the ancient human beings yet attack Forerunner colonies? Did none of the Forerunners encounter any of the Flood? Most likely not since the humans actually managed to [i]win[/i], just in time for the Forerunners not to believe them... How many planets did humanity lay ruin to because of Flood infestation (no one ruins a planet for resources, just harvest a gas giant)? If the Flood could infiltrate a Forerunner colony (if that was the case in the video), how come the humans can't send a message to them? The Forerunner couldn't know that the humans fought the Flood before they defeated them, the Didact wouldn't have had a revelation otherwise, and then his character might have been more shallow in its relasionship with the humans; guilt, etc. That's why I think it's contrived, [b]not impossible, contrived[/b]. [i]Obviously planned, artificial, or lacking in spontaneity; forced; unnatural.[/i] I hope you don't believe I'm hiding behind semantics... :P[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh So it does appear that he's forgotten everything about the Flood. Amazing how people conveniently forget details to better suit their own opinions.[/quote]You're doing the same, by making up explanations for why your version of the[i] truth[/i] work better than anyone elses. Unless you limit yourself to the information that Halo is able to provid, you're no better than I. At least I try to limit myself when discussing or mentioning the facts that matter. [Edited on 12.09.2012 9:48 AM PST]

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  • I find it silly that at no point humanity couldn't have sent a essays saying 'Evil parasite will kill everything. Help us stop it.' Sure, there were tensions between ancient humanity and the forerunners, but when you have the Flood as an alternative, shouldn't you put your differences aside for a little bit? The Terminals show the Flood was already attacking forerunner planets, why not set up a cordon around the planet, let nothing escape and show the forerunners what is going on? If the forerunners lost 2 billion people to a parasite rather than human warships, the whole plot coud easilly have gone a different direction.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 I find it silly that at no point humanity couldn't have sent a essays saying 'Evil parasite will kill everything. Help us stop it.' Sure, there were tensions between ancient humanity and the forerunners, but when you have the Flood as an alternative, shouldn't you put your differences aside for a little bit? The Terminals show the Flood was already attacking forerunner planets, why not set up a cordon around the planet, let nothing escape and show the forerunners what is going on? If the forerunners lost 2 billion people to a parasite rather than human warships, the whole plot coud easilly have gone a different direction.[/quote] And who's to say that the Forerunners won't look at the infected planet, see that the humans let it happen, and not draw the conclusion that the Flood is a human bioweapon? You really think the humans letting 2billion Forerunners die would have made for an alliance in any sense of the word? The two sides already detested each other, and the Librarian does say that the humans had always been aggressive. If the humans had done what you say, the Forerunners would respond with war. If the humans tried warning the planet, the Flood would have spread in the ensuing evacuation, got away with Forerunner ships and new biomass, now having full access to navigation data in all of Forerunner space, and the technology to go with it. Now we have a Flood twice as dangerous, easily resulting in the destruction of the galaxy. Or, we go with the option Lord of Admirals chose, which is destroy the planet, force the Forerunners' hand, but deny the Flood access to the Forerunners and their tech, ultimately resulting in a slower, more easily managable Flood. It buys them time to try and come up with a solution. Forthenco knew attacking the planet was a death sentence for his people. You can hear it in his voice. But the humans took responsibility for their actions, and ended up being deemed worthy in the eyes of the Precursors.

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  • I think we have 2 main problems here. 1. If humans send data on the flood and what they are doing forerunners will think it is a lie to justify human destroying planets or that it is a bio weapon and human are hiding that fact. 2. If human let block off a planet to show what the flood does in person then we go back down the bio weapon road, and more dangerous the flood might break through to infect more ships and planets. Lastly is a 3rd but minor problem in all this we are looking at 2 different stories. From Halo 1-3 we(or at least I) was led to believe that the forerunners had been the number one species around and that their slowness to act plus the fact their protect status led other species (humans included) to weaken and be defenseless. This led to the flood eventually overwhelming them. Now we have the new story with AH being almost as powerful and somewhat rivals to the forerunners. I personally would like to talk with someone from bungie's halo team and ask if AH and all these other things had been planned by them or have been added by 343. [Edited on 12.09.2012 11:17 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] agent wash282 From Halo 1-3 we(or at least I) was led to believe that the forerunners had been the number one species around[/quote] They were. This has not changed, in fact it's meant to reinforce the direction 343i went with the development of the Forerunners. [quote]and that their slowness to act plus the fact their protect status led other species (humans included) to weaken and be defenseless.[/quote] The Librarian's implication in Halo 3 was that their belief in the Mantle sealed their doom by exploiting a loophole - protect all life in the galaxy by ensuring that none of your protectorates can become a risk. This is illustrated in the Forerunner Saga and Halo 4 through their actions towards humanity and the San'Shyuum. [quote]I personally would like to talk with someone from bungie's halo team and ask if AH and all these other things had been planned by them or have been added by 343. [/quote] I'd suggest looking at Ascendant Justice's examination of Halo 3's Terminals. Those articles are about 4/5 years old, but you can see clearly a great number of things that can connect with the Forerunner Saga.

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  • I agree with Janaka - you can't ask "why" any of this stuff makes sense because... it doesn't. This new direction for the story is incredibly weak and feels like something an excited 11 year old scribbled in his notebook after playing the original Halo trilogy. I really despise whoever it was at 343 that decided to bring this whole "ancient human master-techno-savvy race that then got de-evolved by pissed off Forerunners" bull--blam!- into the actual game canon. I was kinda [i]meh[/i] about it when it was only in the expanded universe, but now seeing it in Halo 4 was incredibly eye-roll inducing. It's completely unnecessary and they should have just left it out.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Desert_Fox_23 you can't ask "why" any of this stuff makes sense because... it doesn't.[/quote] Yes it does, and there has been about 3 posts here that have answered the OP's question. [quote]I really despise whoever it was at 343 that decided to bring this whole "ancient human master-techno-savvy race that then got de-evolved by pissed off Forerunners" bull--blam!- into the actual game canon. I was kinda [i]meh[/i] about it when it was only in the expanded universe, but now seeing it in Halo 4 was incredibly eye-roll inducing. It's completely unnecessary and they should have just left it out.[/quote] The fact you think there's some kind of segregation of canon through the material just makes you look like a massive idiot. I've yet to hear a single good, let alone [i]valid[/i], reason for why people don't like the ancient humanity story or why it's so "unnecessary". Now [i]that[/i] is truly eye-roll inducing. It's by far one of the most original parts of this series, the majority being grounded in very generic sci-fi, and adds a lot of depth to both the universe and the Forerunners as a race.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 I find it silly that at no point humanity couldn't have sent a essays saying 'Evil parasite will kill everything. Help us stop it.' Sure, there were tensions between ancient humanity and the forerunners, but when you have the Flood as an alternative, shouldn't you put your differences aside for a little bit? The Terminals show the Flood was already attacking forerunner planets, why not set up a cordon around the planet, let nothing escape and show the forerunners what is going on? If the forerunners lost 2 billion people to a parasite rather than human warships, the whole plot coud easilly have gone a different direction.[/quote] Yup - this plot is entirely unbelievable. Not only is it unrealistic that Humanity wouldn't have send a "heads-up" message to the Forerunner, but it also suggests that the Forerunner communication system was [i]so poor[/i] that they had abosolutely no idea that a parasite was ravaging their colonies before an alien race (ancient humans) did. Whhaaaa?! You mean the Forerunners - who built the Halos... couldn't manage a simple phone call back to home base to say "Hey! We're being attacked by slimy parasite monsters!" .......*sigh*.... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The fact you think there's some kind of segregation of canon through the material just makes you look like a massive idiot. [/quote] I think you're taking this a [i]little[/i] too seriously. If Bungie considered the books canon - then they certainly didn't act like it. Don't believe me? Read The Fall of Reach, then go play Halo: Reach. I rest my case. [Edited on 12.09.2012 11:51 AM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Desert_Fox_23 Yup - this plot is entirely unbelievable. Not only is it unrealistic that Humanity wouldn't have send a "heads-up" message to the Forerunner, but it also suggests that the Forerunner communication system was [i]so poor[/i] that they had abosolutely no idea that a parasite was ravaging their colonies before an alien race (ancient humans) did. Whhaaaa?! You mean the Forerunners - who built the Halos... couldn't manage a simple phone call back to home base to say "Hey! We're being attacked by slimy parasite monsters!" .......*sigh*....[/quote] And this is what happens when you neglect to read the replies in the thread... When you attack an enemy in a head-on assault, what's your top priority going to be? Ensuring they can't call for reinforcements. Shut down planet-wide communication. Forerunners are left none-the-wiser, and humanity eradicates everything on the planet. Even with the Forerunners thinking the Flood was just a human bio-weapon, the shutting down of planetary communications would be an act of sabotage the Forerunner would believe that humans had themselves conducted. No matter which way you cut it, humanity look like the aggressors. No quick email to the Ecumene Council is going to change that.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Desert_Fox_23 I think you're taking this a [i]little[/i] too seriously.[/quote] Oh, really? [quote]I really despise whoever it was at 343...[/quote] [quote]bull--blam!-[/quote] [quote]feels like something an excited 11 year old scribbled in his notebook after playing the original Halo trilogy.[/quote] [quote]If Bungie considered the books canon - then they certainly didn't act like it. Don't believe me? Read The Fall of Reach, then go play Halo: Reach. I rest my case.[/quote] Reach's errors have been fixed by 343i through the Data Drops last year. Joseph Staten, lead writer for Halo 2, 3 and ODST, and author of Contact Harvest, confirmed that the novels are canon: [quote][url=http://uk.xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/halo-2/562962p2.html]The books are full of wonderful, complex elements that would be hugely problematic if we included them in Halo 2 in any meaningful way (e.g. the existence of other Spartans). That being said, I did my best to be take the books into account as I wrote, and there are definitely common themes and characters.[/url][/quote] Pete Parsons talks about how the Halo universe fits together: [quote][url=http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/halo1.htm]How Stuff Works: Was the "Halo" story fully realized and segmented into different games, or did you take the story as far as "Halo 1" and when it came time for a sequel, build the story from the ground up? Pete Parsons: The "Halo" universe has an overarching story that is well thought out and was well thought out before "Halo 2." We have roughly 600 years worth of "Halo" fiction, and we know what happens inside of that universe at any given time. The ["Halo 2"] story itself only existed as notes and was really fleshed out. We know ultimately, at least in the "Halo" universe, where humanity came from, where it's going to, at what point in time it comes in contact with The Covenant [the villains in "Halo"] and what happens well beyond that. "Halo 2" picks up literally right after "Halo 1." But there is still plenty of story in and around that. And you can see some of that in the three novels we have. How Stuff Works: The novelization of a video game is, well ... novel. Where does Eric Nyland get the background for his books? Pete Parsons: We work closely with him on all the stories. So what we do is we have these story arcs of the "Halo" universe, and Eric goes in and says, "Well that's a really good piece to take and here is in a microcosm what I think that story will look like." How Stuff Works: Are you guys very conscious to make sure that everything fits together -- that the books and games don't contradict one another -- so that everyone can look to any source and say, "This is very consistent, fully realized world"? Pete Parsons: Yes, but not in the marketing kind of way. We do it because we want the "Halo" universe to be manifold. You can certainly probably pull out some inconsistencies, but as a general rule we really try to keep it manifold. Because we think that ultimately we are doing this for ourselves. And after that, we're doing it for our fans, and we want them to really believe in this place that is the Halo universe. I think the reason Halo has captured so many imaginations is because we care a lot about what's going on in that universe and how believable that universe is. We have this high level myth that we understand very well.[/url][/quote] I agree that they never acted like they were canon because they seemed to make a real effort [i]not[/i] to accomodate the additional fiction into the games, which in the end made their story suffer. [Edited on 12.09.2012 12:00 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 When you attack an enemy in a head-on assault, what's your top priority going to be? Ensuring they can't call for reinforcements. Shut down planet-wide communication. Forerunners are left none-the-wiser, and humanity eradicates everything on the planet. Even with the Forerunners thinking the Flood was just a human bio-weapon, the shutting down of planetary communications would be an act of sabotage the Forerunner would believe that humans had themselves conducted. No matter which way you cut it, humanity look like the aggressors. No quick email to the Ecumene Council is going to change that.[/quote] You're bending the story to fit your needs. Your assumption that the Forerunner thought the Flood was a human Bio-Weapon draws the conclusion that the Humans and Flood arrived at [i]each[/i] Foreunner planet at [i]exactly[/i] the same time. But this assumption is proved wrong in the Halo 4 terminal where the Humans explicitly state that the Flood arrived ahead of them. So once again, the Flood were ravaging a Forerunner planet [i]before the Humans were even there[/i] and didn't manage to inform anyone off planet of this? Why were the Forerunner unable to send warning back home of the Flood before the Humans could arrive and destroy the planet? Surely the assumption can be made, that with how widespread the Flood infection was, that the Flood was affecting Forerunner worlds that the Humans never even visited. How could Humans be blamed for this? These questions have no answer because the plot is horribly contrived... you don't need to be so blindly loyal to 343. edit: It's clear after reading your posts that you're [b]very[/b] passionate about the direction that 343 is taking the story, so I give up debating the finer points with you. After all - it just boils down to a matter of opinion. [Edited on 12.09.2012 12:16 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Desert_Fox_23 You're bending the story to fit your needs. You're assumption that the Forerunner thought the Flood was a human Bio-Weapon draws the conclusion that the Humans and Flood arrived at [i]each[/i] Foreunner planet at [i]exactly[/i] the same time. But this assumption is proved wrong in the Halo 4 terminal where the Humans explicitly state that the Flood arrived ahead of them. So once again, the Flood were ravaging a Forerunner planet [i]before the Humans were even there[/i] and didn't manage to inform anyone off planet of this? Why were the Forerunner unable to send warning back home of the Flood before the Humans could arrive and destroy the planet?[/quote] Er... no it doesn't. The perception of the Flood as a human bioweapon would be just that - a human bioweapon, and the fact that it's humanity's fault the Flood even came to be in the Milky Way in its feral form would lend credence to that idea for the Forerunners. [quote]Surely the assumption can be made[/quote] You're bending the story to fit your needs. [i]hurr durr![/i] [quote]that with how widespread the Flood infection was, that the Flood was affecting Forerunner worlds that the Humans never even visited. How could Humans be blamed for this?[/quote] Has the part of your head which governs logic recently caved in? In order to move from world to world, the Flood obviously needed [i]ships[/i]. Since the Flood and humanity didn't move into Forerunner territory for a great number of years, those ships are all going to be [i]human[/i]. Not to mention that it is the fault of humanity that the Flood arose as an issue for them in the first place. The Forerunners did not see the Flood as a threat to their Ecumene, all they saw were fleets of human ships bombarding their worlds from orbit, killing billions of their race. Following humanity's passing of the Precursors' test for the Mantle, the Flood simply left the galaxy which further undermined the threat the Flood posed in the eyes of the Forerunners - the next thousand years that followed were dedicated to fighting humanity. [quote]The plot is horribly contrived... you don't need to be so blindly loyal to 343.[/quote] It's really not, it simply looks like you're incapable of understanding it and connecting the various sources on this subject together. It's not out of blind loyalty to 343i that I take the role of apologist, I do not believe in being loyal to a company, and FYI I take issue with a number of things they've done. No, it's the fact that you have so blatantly disregarded or simply cannot comprehend what has been presented to you when it does actually make sense. [Edited on 12.09.2012 12:28 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeBleserMike If forerunners themselves were such an (almost) enlightened species they could have easily discovered the true reason of the sudden Human hostility despite their rivalry.[/quote] I wouldn't make the assumption that them discovering the true reason for the sudden Human aggression would have changed much. Humanity was the only force that could resist their hegemonizing and authoritarian influence, and challenge their claim to the Mantle. The Flood weakened Humanity and forced their hand. Forerunners then get a chance (And excuse) to remove the only power in the galaxy that can stop them. They also didn't understand how dangerous the Flood truly was at that point.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeBleserMike If forerunners themselves were such an (almost) enlightened species they could have easily discovered the true reason of the sudden Human hostility despite their rivalry.[/quote] I wouldn't make the assumption that them discovering the true reason for the sudden Human aggression would have changed much. Humanity was the only force that could resist their hegemonizing and authoritarian influence, and challenge their claim to the Mantle. The Flood weakened Humanity and forced their hand. Forerunners then get a chance (And excuse) to remove the only power in the galaxy that can stop them. They also didn't understand how dangerous the Flood truly was at that point.[/quote] It would have been nice if 343 had explained this in the novels and Halo 4. The Human-Forerunner War and it's outcome would have made a lot more sense. [Edited on 12.09.2012 8:18 PM PST]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Desert_Fox_23 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 When you attack an enemy in a head-on assault, what's your top priority going to be? Ensuring they can't call for reinforcements. Shut down planet-wide communication. Forerunners are left none-the-wiser, and humanity eradicates everything on the planet. Even with the Forerunners thinking the Flood was just a human bio-weapon, the shutting down of planetary communications would be an act of sabotage the Forerunner would believe that humans had themselves conducted. No matter which way you cut it, humanity look like the aggressors. No quick email to the Ecumene Council is going to change that.[/quote] You're bending the story to fit your needs. Your assumption that the Forerunner thought the Flood was a human Bio-Weapon draws the conclusion that the Humans and Flood arrived at [i]each[/i] Foreunner planet at [i]exactly[/i] the same time. But this assumption is proved wrong in the Halo 4 terminal where the Humans explicitly state that the Flood arrived ahead of them. So once again, the Flood were ravaging a Forerunner planet [i]before the Humans were even there[/i] and didn't manage to inform anyone off planet of this? Why were the Forerunner unable to send warning back home of the Flood before the Humans could arrive and destroy the planet? Surely the assumption can be made, that with how widespread the Flood infection was, that the Flood was affecting Forerunner worlds that the Humans never even visited. How could Humans be blamed for this? These questions have no answer because the plot is horribly contrived... you don't need to be so blindly loyal to 343. edit: It's clear after reading your posts that you're [b]very[/b] passionate about the direction that 343 is taking the story, so I give up debating the finer points with you. After all - it just boils down to a matter of opinion.[/quote] Think about it though your planets being attacked by the Flood you have no idea what it is you tell the rest of the Forerunners off planet. Then a Human fleet conveniently appears and destroys the planet any Forerunnner's who investigate the aftermath or were in contact with that planet could only assume the flood was a Human bioweapon. And the Humans appeared after to clean shop.

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  • If the Forerunner's could mobilize their fleets the minute they knew the Humans had entered their system. They would have known of any Flood infestation. There is no good way to explain how the Forerunners seemingly let the Flood run amok on their planet's. Other then a contrived way to progress the plot to where 343 needs it. [Edited on 12.09.2012 9:48 PM PST]

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  • More bodies for the flood to consume. Have we not learned how fast the flood spreads? look at High Charity in Halo2. My gosh I don't think the flood was even on HC for more than 3minutes before it was completly overrun. Floodgate in Halo 3? Aread was completly infected and John wasn't even that close to the crash site. The point is, bringing more bodies to the fight would have just made the enemy stronger. Who's to say the forerunners would even join the cause? Heck they were more than happy to sit back and study the flood for most of their war before they took their heads out their butts. I would also assume the humans were confident they could cure the flood, thus using it as a weapon in future enemies. Forerunners. [Edited on 12.09.2012 10:14 PM PST]

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  • Because humans will always be dumb, and do dumb actions once in a while.

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  • Ancient humanity resented for forerunners because of their mantle and what it stood for, that's why they formed their own empire on the rim of the galaxy. the probably didn't trust the forerunners enough to handle the parasite on their own and decided to be on the safe side. Also don't forget how arrogant we are.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Salty27 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeBleserMike If forerunners themselves were such an (almost) enlightened species they could have easily discovered the true reason of the sudden Human hostility despite their rivalry.[/quote] I wouldn't make the assumption that them discovering the true reason for the sudden Human aggression would have changed much. Humanity was the only force that could resist their hegemonizing and authoritarian influence, and challenge their claim to the Mantle. The Flood weakened Humanity and forced their hand. Forerunners then get a chance (And excuse) to remove the only power in the galaxy that can stop them. They also didn't understand how dangerous the Flood truly was at that point.[/quote] It would have been nice if 343 had explained this in the novels and Halo 4. The Human-Forerunner War and it's outcome would have made a lot more sense.[/quote] It explains the war but the outcome is less clear, especially with Halo 4 taken into consideration. The Forerunner Ecumenical Council originally agreed with the Didact to spare Humanity and make it stand with the rest of the galaxy, presumably with a war to disarm and break their empire, followed by Forerunner rule. I don't understand the Didact's sudden 180* though (Which is not really explained by him suddenly believing Humanity responsible for the Flood at that stage in the war.) on the issue, and why the Council essentially allowed it having had agreed with him prior. They nearly all went from disarming Humanity to complete and utter genocide. I could see the Forerunners taking the opportunity to remove Humanity's independence and power, but I don't see why they went so far, nor why they changed their minds half way through. Perhaps Didact re-convinced them again. (Or that he acted alone? If the Librarians views are anything to go by then the decision to "devolve" Humanity was maybe an unpopular one.)

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