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12/6/2012 4:14:52 PM
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Bungie was first with the big orb concept
In a Sparkast in July 343 said they have been developing Halo 4 since 3-3.5 years so since sometime from January to July 2009. ODST was [url=http://www.destructoid.com/halo-3-odst-has-been-finished-since-may-148646.phtml]already finished in May 2009[/url] and as many of you know it contains a [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/destiny_awaits.jpg]hint[/url] at Destiny and the spherical alien ship (aka "the Traveller"). That means Bungie had propably thought of the Traveller before 343 came up with the Didact's Cryptum. BAM!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Pretty sure they're just ripping off the moon.[/quote] lol. Hipster Moon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You do realise that the Traveler (not to mention, the [i]entire story[/i] of Destiny judging by the leaked details) is directly ripped from Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End', right? So what if Bungie said "we want to have a giant orb in our game" before 343? Neither the Traveler nor the Cryptum are original concepts.[/quote] This is some good info, thank you[/quote][url=http://www.unz.org/Pub/FantasticMysteries-1950apr-00098]Here is the short story "Childhood's End" is based on[/url] ("Guardian Angel" or in other words, a Seraph) , I'm reading it now, but I did skim it, and there was someone talking to a sphere, kind of like the one in the concept art. [Edited on 12.09.2012 7:46 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You do realise that the Traveler (not to mention, the [i]entire story[/i] of Destiny judging by the leaked details) is directly ripped from Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End', right? So what if Bungie said "we want to have a giant orb in our game" before 343? Neither the Traveler nor the Cryptum are original concepts.[/quote] This is some good info, thank you
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CanineThewolvie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mikerules868 What if orb in Halo 3 legendary ending was actually Bungie hinting at Destiny orb o.O[/quote]I think it's a direct easter egg to Destiny... You can almost make a short analysis of the scene : Master chief floating in space goes to his future (the Orb) wich is his Destiny.[/quote]And we're only seeing the dark side, only the community shines through. ..not sure it's strong enough though..
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mikerules868 What if orb in Halo 3 legendary ending was actually Bungie hinting at Destiny orb o.O[/quote] I think it's a direct easter egg to Destiny... You can almost make a short analysis of the scene : Master chief floating in space goes to his future (the Orb) wich is his Destiny.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcGuard "The golden age of man" is a concept used in just about EVERYTHING, to be honest. Halo has it (what is going on). Go google "golden age of man." All it means was "There was prosperity, now there isn't. The setup for almost every post-apocalyptic story ever. ("Everything was perfect and then - Event X - happened.")[/quote] THE FIRE NATION ATTACKED
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What if orb in Halo 3 legendary ending was actually Bungie hinting at Destiny orb o.O [Edited on 12.08.2012 10:31 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Pretty sure they're just ripping off the moon.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Pretty sure they're just ripping off the moon.[/quote]Is this what the thread's about? Who came up with the idea for a giant orb in the sky first? I can't see why this single concept is so important.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fez479 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcGuard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You do realise that the Traveler (not to mention, the [i]entire story[/i] of Destiny judging by the leaked details) is directly ripped from Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End', right? So what if Bungie said "we want to have a giant orb in our game" before 343? Neither the Traveler nor the Cryptum are original concepts.[/quote] Yeeaaaah... from the plot summaries, synopsis and what people say about it, I'd have to say it's not even close. There are similarities ("The golden age of man" being mentioned a lot in both" and an alien species. That's about it). But we know far too little about Destiny to say anything else. If this is a ripoff of that, any apocalyptic sci-fy story that has aliens in it is a rip-off....[/quote] First of all Childhood's End is not like Destiny in that Childhood's End is about transcendence and a higher consciousness. Second of all Apocalypse Now is absolutely a movie adaptation of Heart of Darkness even though Heart of Darkness is placed in Africa and contains no war. Destiny could easily be a video game adaptation/major homage to Childhood's End, and looks like it might be shaping up to be such a game.[/quote] Just as Guild Wars is an homage to World of Warcraft? Just because things share (remotely) similar themes (honestly, it's a giiiiiant stretch at this point - aliens cause Apocalypse in one, aliens prevent it in another), doesn't mean they're related in anything other than Theme. They may share common themes. They might have even been inspired by that story (not a stretch to say that, but they could have been inspired by a lot of things - Is it a rip off of star wars because there's a big floating death orb?), but that doesn't mean the stories are even remotely related, let alone a complete story rip-off as the other guy said it was. We have nothing yet to suggest it's a rip off in any way, as the events aren't even in the same order as they were in that book (So already, it's not a direct rip off). Aliens and an apocalypse do not a copied story make. [Edited on 12.07.2012 6:02 AM PST]
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Well, I just wanted to point out that Bungie propably had thought of the concept of a big flying orb as an alien ship/aircraft before 343, because I saw a lot of people commenting: "lame. Halo 4 already had that" or something. But please go on discussing. I can't really take part because I haven't read Childhood's End, but aren't there multiple ships (i read the synopsis) and are they really spherical, too?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcGuard [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You do realise that the Traveler (not to mention, the [i]entire story[/i] of Destiny judging by the leaked details) is directly ripped from Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End', right? So what if Bungie said "we want to have a giant orb in our game" before 343? Neither the Traveler nor the Cryptum are original concepts.[/quote] Yeeaaaah... from the plot summaries, synopsis and what people say about it, I'd have to say it's not even close. There are similarities ("The golden age of man" being mentioned a lot in both" and an alien species. That's about it). But we know far too little about Destiny to say anything else. If this is a ripoff of that, any apocalyptic sci-fy story that has aliens in it is a rip-off....[/quote] First of all Childhood's End is not like Destiny in that Childhood's End is about transcendence and a higher consciousness. Second of all Apocalypse Now is absolutely a movie adaptation of Heart of Darkness even though Heart of Darkness is placed in Africa and contains no war. Destiny could easily be a video game adaptation/major homage to Childhood's End, and looks like it might be shaping up to be such a game.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NAStheMagiking On the surface, anyway, the similarities between the book in question and Destiny are stark. Bungie was most likely heavily inspired by it, but aims to distinguish their universe. Still, always interests me when you find out how similar one thing is to another. Not just in the sense that it's following a genre template, but something more specific. I actually really want to read 'Children's End' now. Sounds like a great read. EDIT: The orb in Destiny reminds me more of Final Fantasy XIII's Cocoon, anyway.[/quote] Pretty much what I think.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterSin To be clear, most of 343 has done is based on Bungie's work. The Halo bible, Halo universe, the Halo engine. For example, the forerunner trilogy is strongly based on a Bungie project that never came to see the light called [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=Feast_of_Bones]"The feast of bones"[/url] and it was called The flood primordium or something, here Bungie said that the flood could be some sort of bio weapon. [/quote] [url=http://www.bertstare.com/bertstare.jpg]What?[/url] That was just a collection of concept art. [Edited on 12.06.2012 12:09 PM PST]
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On the surface, anyway, the similarities between the book in question and Destiny are stark. Bungie was most likely heavily inspired by it, but aims to distinguish their universe. Still, always interests me when you find out how similar one thing is to another. Not just in the sense that it's following a genre template, but something more specific. I actually really want to read 'Children's End' now. Sounds like a great read. EDIT: The orb in Destiny reminds me more of Final Fantasy XIII's Cocoon, anyway. [Edited on 12.06.2012 12:00 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Simjon4two In a Sparkast in July 343 said they have been developing Halo 4 since 3-3.5 years so since sometime from January to July 2009. ODST was [url=http://www.destructoid.com/halo-3-odst-has-been-finished-since-may-148646.phtml]already finished in May 2009[/url] and as many of you know it contains a [url=http://misriahsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/destiny_awaits.jpg]hint[/url] at Destiny and the spherical alien ship (aka "the Traveller"). That means Bungie had propably thought of the Traveller before 343 came up with the Didact's Cryptum. BAM![/quote] To be clear, most of 343 has done is based on Bungie's work. The Halo bible, Halo universe, the Halo engine. For example, the forerunner trilogy is strongly based on a Bungie project that never came to see the light called [url=http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=Feast_of_Bones]"The feast of bones"[/url] and it was called The flood primordium or something, here Bungie said that the flood could be some sort of bio weapon. Most of the story wise comes from Bungie's ideas, 343 is just making small changes to their fit. So there might be some similarities between both. [Edited on 12.06.2012 11:20 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 The Golden Age of man is definitely not a theme in Halo to relate to humanity, there's always some kind of war going on which is driving us to extinction. So what? It's a giant alien ship hovering over Earth as its protector, it's the same thing as Childhood's End. The exact same framework, we just don't know the substance yet - but that doesn't stop it being the same. [quote]So the only things we have are: The Golden Age of man (A setup for post-apocalyptic stories) Space (The setup for ScyFy stories) And some sort of Alien Artifact (Also, the setup for many ScyFy Stories - Halo anyone?)[/quote] When you say "the only things we have", what we have there are the [i]major themes[/i] that form the premise of the story based entirely off Clarke's novel. Again, 3 "similar items" which are [b]major themes which make up the premise of the entire story[/b]. The same way that Halo is a direct rip off of Niven's Ringworld, the same way that Mass Effect is an amalgamation of the tropes of just about every sci-fi universe out there.[/quote] I don't quite think you understand the words you're using. Nor do I really think you understand what you're saying. An alien ship, and an Apocalypse are HARDLY ripping off the major overarching themes of some vaguely similar book. You really don't understand what "ripping off" means... Similar themes DOES NOT mean they're copying the ENTIRE STORY as you said in your original post. So there's really nothing more to say to you. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoRaMo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrandmasterNinja [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grateful Zebra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End'[/quote][i]Runs off to buy this book.[/i][/quote] Quickly downloads PDF[/quote][i]Checks out book at library[/i][/quote] ...library?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrandmasterNinja [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grateful Zebra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End'[/quote][i]Runs off to buy this book.[/i][/quote] Quickly downloads PDF[/quote][i]Checks out book at library[/i]
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Skyfall and The Dark Knight have about the same synopsis and plot summary, and so does Star Trek (2009) and SW: A new Hope. Halo had a lot of similarities with Ringworld (mainly the [i]ringworld[/i]) but it managed to break its way far from what Niven's work was as a whole. Plot synopsis, etc, might mean something when it's all one knows, but as soon as the universe starts to roll, their importance usually fades. Unless Destiny will include hive minds and psychic powers.. I'll say it's just as safe as Halo was from being a Ringworld rip-off. I'm pretty sure Bungie will add enough to make the similarities diminish, even if some similarities weighs more than other and will remain apparent throughout. I don't know what the OP is on about though.. Sure, the Didact's got a round Cryptum (ovoid in the book), but that doesn't say anything. [Edited on 12.06.2012 9:37 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcGuard "The golden age of man" is a concept used in just about EVERYTHING, to be honest. Halo has it (what is going on). Go google "golden age of man." All it means was "There was prosperity, now there isn't. The setup for almost every post-apocalyptic story ever. ("Everything was perfect and then - Event X - happened.")[/quote] The Golden Age of man is definitely not a theme in Halo to relate to humanity, there's always some kind of war going on which is driving us to extinction. [quote]And the traveler was their protector, but that's it. We don't know if the traveler also caused the problems (as appears in that book), or if it was because of an alien war that just spilled onto earth. We have no idea. We have no idea why it's there or what caused it or anything.[/quote] So what? It's a giant alien ship hovering over Earth as its protector, it's the same thing as Childhood's End. The exact same framework, we just don't know the substance yet - but that doesn't stop it being the same. [quote]So the only things we have are: The Golden Age of man (A setup for post-apocalyptic stories) Space (The setup for ScyFy stories) And some sort of Alien Artifact (Also, the setup for many ScyFy Stories - Halo anyone?)[/quote] When you say "the only things we have", what we have there are the [i]major themes[/i] that form the premise of the story based entirely off Clarke's novel. [quote]so if you're saying "This space-themed Post-apocalyptic story is a rip-off of another one with vause similaries" then sure, I guess you're right. It is vaugely similar, because it countains 3 similar items (although, the overlords caused the golden age in that story, and in this story, the golden age is smashed by aliens).[/quote] Again, 3 "similar items" which are [b]major themes which make up the premise of the entire story[/b]. The same way that Halo is a direct rip off of Niven's Ringworld, the same way that Mass Effect is an amalgamation of the tropes of just about every sci-fi universe out there.
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"The golden age of man" is a concept used in just about EVERYTHING, to be honest. Halo has it (what is going on). Go google "golden age of man." All it means was "There was prosperity, now there isn't. The setup for almost every post-apocalyptic story ever. ("Everything was perfect and then - Event X - happened.") And the traveler was their protector, but that's it. We don't know if the traveler also caused the problems (as appears in that book), or if it was because of an alien war that just spilled onto earth. We have no idea. We have no idea why it's there or what caused it or anything. So the only things we have are: The Golden Age of man (A setup for post-apocalyptic stories) Space (The setup for ScyFy stories) And some sort of Alien Artifact (Also, the setup for many ScyFy Stories - Halo anyone?) so if you're saying "This space-themed Post-apocalyptic story is a rip-off of another one with vause similaries" then sure, I guess you're right. It is vaugely similar, because it countains 3 similar items (although, the overlords caused the golden age in that story, and in this story, the golden age is smashed by aliens).
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ArcGuard Yeeaaaah... from the plot summaries, synopsis and what people say about it, I'd have to say it's not even close. There are similarities ("The golden age of man" being mentioned a lot in both" and an alien species. That's about it). But we know far too little about Destiny to say anything else.[/quote] What do you mean, "not even close"? It's pretty clear that a number of distinct themes are taken directly from Clarke... The Golden Age of Man, as you already said, is a primary theme in both Childhood's End and clearly Destiny since it's set "in a Solar System littered with the ruins of man's Golden Age". The Traveler is perhaps to be the most important part of Destiny given how it's going to constantly dominate the scene of humanity's last city on Earth. Much the same way as the Overlords are the dominant image in Childhood's End - the front cover symbolically depicting their ship as a giant eye looking over Earth, the Traveler serving the exact same role as the Overlords in being humanity's protector. So far, these things are looking pretty damn similar - there's no "not even close about it"... [quote]If this is a ripoff of that, any apocalyptic sci-fy story that has aliens in it is a rip-off....[/quote] Well, not really since each genre has a framework of conventions, which is why we deem a book to be sci-fi, fantasy, Gothic (etc). But the concept of the story itself [i]is[/i] ripped off from a previous idea - Bungie stole from Niven what Niven stole from Dyson, and so on.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 You do realise that the Traveler (not to mention, the [i]entire story[/i] of Destiny judging by the leaked details) is directly ripped from Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End', right? So what if Bungie said "we want to have a giant orb in our game" before 343? Neither the Traveler nor the Cryptum are original concepts.[/quote] Yeeaaaah... from the plot summaries, synopsis and what people say about it, I'd have to say it's not even close. There are similarities ("The golden age of man" being mentioned a lot in both" and an alien species. That's about it). But we know far too little about Destiny to say anything else. If this is a ripoff of that, any apocalyptic sci-fy story that has aliens in it is a rip-off.... [Edited on 12.06.2012 8:39 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grateful Zebra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End'[/quote][i]Runs off to buy this book.[/i][/quote] Quickly downloads PDF
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Pretty sure they're just ripping off the moon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Arthur C. Clarke's 'Childhood's End'[/quote][i]Runs off to buy this book.[/i]
