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12/2/2012 10:33:49 PM
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Clarifying the Storm Covenant's and Covenant's Belief System
So I understand that the Storm still hate the humans and the Covenant want to ally with the humans. And I also understand that the Storm are still in search of Forerunner artifacts. But does the Storm still believe in activating the Halos? Are they exactly like the old Covenant? And does the new Covenant still revere the Forerunners as gods?
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They probably still believe the same thing. The covenants been in existence for thousands of years, so it's going to be a tad difficult to just get everyone to change their mind about every belief they've been raised with.
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The storm IS the old covenant they were forces left behind that never experienced the events of halo 2 and 3 so they still believe in the Halo's and crap i'd assume.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SOME cGUY789 The storm IS the old covenant they were forces left behind that never experienced the events of halo 2 and 3 so they still believe in the Halo's and crap i'd assume.[/quote] What? That can not be correct. The Covenant has FTL, near-instantaneous communication. They surely would have heard about what happened. [Edited on 12.02.2012 5:35 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arbiter 739 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SOME cGUY789 The storm IS the old covenant they were forces left behind that never experienced the events of halo 2 and 3 so they still believe in the Halo's and crap i'd assume.[/quote] What? That can not be correct. The Covenant has FTL, near-instantaneous communication. They surely would have heard about what happened. [/quote] The ones he's referring too were cut off, a colony world that went dark during the war, long enough to evolve their own dialects. They probably don't comprise all of the Storm though.
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Storm = fanatical zealots who believe the Forerunners are gods. Covenant = fanatical zealots who believe the Forerunners are gods. Main difference is that Jul 'Mdama, the leader of the Storm, doesn't believe the Forerunners are gods at all. The only reason he bothers to bring the Storm to Requiem is to gather Forerunner technology (and the Didact himself) to destroy humanity in revenge for killing his mate. In order to maintain his control of the Storm, he has to constantly lie and pretend he belives in gods. Prophet of Truth = belief in gods. Jul 'Mdama = Atheist lying to his minions in hopes of annihilating humanity. [Edited on 12.02.2012 5:50 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea Storm = fanatical zealots who believe the Forerunners are gods. Covenant = fanatical zealots who believe the Forerunners are gods. Main difference is that Jul 'Mdama, the leader of the Storm, doesn't believe the Forerunners are gods at all. The only reason he bothers to bring the Storm to Requiem is to gather Forerunner technology (and the Didact himself) to destroy humanity in revenge for killing his mate. In order to maintain his control of the Storm, he has to constantly lie and pretend he belives in gods. Prophet of Truth = belief in gods. Jul 'Mdama = Atheist lying to his minions in hopes of annihilating humanity.[/quote] Not to mention the whole Human-Covenant War was because Truth and Regret discovered that humans were Reclaimers in 2525 from Mendicant Bias. So, different reasons, but same goal.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Not to mention the whole Human-Covenant War was because Truth and Regret discovered that humans were Reclaimers in 2525 from Mendicant Bias. So, different reasons, but same goal. [/quote] You kind of have to stress now that the middle men have taken a considerable step back from the old regime. Jul seems to me more of a military figure (traditional elite badass) while the Didact is filling the role of God proper. No prophets (figurative and literal), just a direct route from faith to the order to go kill humanity.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matu Flp Krawfe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Not to mention the whole Human-Covenant War was because Truth and Regret discovered that humans were Reclaimers in 2525 from Mendicant Bias. So, different reasons, but same goal. [/quote] You kind of have to stress now that the middle men have taken a considerable step back from the old regime. Jul seems to me more of a military figure (traditional elite badass) while the Didact is filling the role of God proper. No prophets (figurative and literal), just a direct route from faith to the order to go kill humanity.[/quote] Ironic, seeing as the Didact was the only Forerunner that would give that order. Had the new Covenant found any other Forerunner (perhaps even the other Didact), they would have had their bubble quite popped. Jul certainly lucked out.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Matu Flp Krawfe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 Not to mention the whole Human-Covenant War was because Truth and Regret discovered that humans were Reclaimers in 2525 from Mendicant Bias. So, different reasons, but same goal. [/quote]You kind of have to stress now that the middle men have taken a considerable step back from the old regime. Jul seems to me more of a military figure (traditional elite badass) while the Didact is filling the role of God proper. No prophets (figurative and literal), just a direct route from faith to the order to go kill humanity.[/quote]Ironic, seeing as the Didact was the only Forerunner that would give that order. Had the new Covenant found any other Forerunner (perhaps even the other Didact), they would have had their bubble quite popped. Jul certainly lucked out.[/quote]I believe Bornstellar died in the Halo Activation BUT if he did survive, he did hate humans less.
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I hope the Storm believe in the Halos, I want Halo 5 to actually have a Halo in it as a central part of the game!
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From what I gathered the Storm Covenant still hold to the Halos being the key to their Great Journey as taught by the Prophets. It's unlikely any of their members witnessed the events at Installation 05 or 00 and they've dismissed the other Elites (and those still working alongside them) as traitors.
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Also, do not forget that Jul told the Storm Covenant of the Prophet's deceit, and that Sanghelios is currently in a state of civil war for power (Arbiter versus Telcam). :"The Thursday War" The Storm Covenant still believe in the Forerunners being gods, but I'm sure they do not believe in the Great Journey (firing the Halos). What the Storm is after, is the destruction of humanity, the enemy of the Gods (the Didact). What Jul wants is a calculated revenge, as has been said by others.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madmaxepic I hope the Storm believe in the Halos, I want Halo 5 to actually have a Halo in it as a central part of the game![/quote] Perhaps Installation 03 would serve a better role in Halo 5.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] soulguard Also, do not forget that Jul told the Storm Covenant of the Prophet's deceit, and that Sanghelios is currently in a state of civil war for power (Arbiter versus Telcam). :"The Thursday War" The Storm Covenant still believe in the Forerunners being gods, but I'm sure they do not believe in the Great Journey (firing the Halos). What the Storm is after, is the destruction of humanity, the enemy of the Gods (the Didact). What Jul wants is a calculated revenge, as has been said by others.[/quote] this guy knows whats going on
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SOME cGUY789 The storm IS the old covenant they were forces left behind that never experienced the events of halo 2 and 3 so they still believe in the Halo's and crap i'd assume.[/quote]Also they aren't called the Storm. That is the name of their ranking system. They are simply known as the Covenant. Also they do not believe in the Prophets. Just that the Forerunners are gods. Everyone hates the San Shyuum as of now.
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In the beginning of Glasslands Telcam tells Serin that you can still believe in gods even after all this craziness and he uses the example of humans and their science.
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They're a break-off faction of the Covenant that rebelled against the Sangheili and tried to kill the Arbiter. They basically believe in the exact same nonsense except now they don't take orders from the Prophets and know that it would be really stupid and bad for them to start the Great Journey.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] soulguard Also, do not forget that Jul told the Storm Covenant of the Prophet's deceit, and that Sanghelios is currently in a state of civil war for power (Arbiter versus Telcam). :"The Thursday War"[/quote] That was almost five years ago, to go by 'current' time in the Halo universe. Anything could have happened in that time - I'm willing to bet the Storm won, and Thel's been deposed - hence why some Covenant are seeking asylum on Earth. I think dealing with this threat will be the initial goal of [i]Halo 5[/i] - a UNSC invasion of Sanghelios to deal with the Storm.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] soulguard Also, do not forget that Jul told the Storm Covenant of the Prophet's deceit, and that Sanghelios is currently in a state of civil war for power (Arbiter versus Telcam). :"The Thursday War"[/quote] That was almost five years ago, to go by 'current' time in the Halo universe. Anything could have happened in that time - I'm willing to bet the Storm won, and Thel's been deposed - hence why some Covenant are seeking asylum on Earth. I think dealing with this threat will be the initial goal of [i]Halo 5[/i] - a UNSC invasion of Sanghelios to deal with the Storm.[/quote]I doubt Thel was deposed, he is way to important a character to kill off behind the scenes. Of course, he need not necessarily have died to lose his power, but I think 343 is done with covenant being the main enemies. If anything they'll be on the side helping the forerunners.
