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11/30/2012 2:44:15 AM
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Competitive Players should design MP
It's just the truth
Look at Halo 4
The core is excellent but it is covered with a dog pile of casual -blam!- that just make it bad
Big maps
Instant Respawn
Care Packages
DMR breaks almost every BTB map
Don't get me wrong
Halo 4 is 10000x better than Reach, but yo, this game can be the Greatest of all time if some competitive player like Bravo was to give the settings for default
Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population
Halo 3 was somewhat competitive and had a high population
Halo Reach was a broken game designed for casuals and had an OK Population
Halo 4 is a good game covered with casual -blam!- and is declining pretty fast in population
Competitive and Balanced Games bring in more people
343, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS
The reason CoD is always on the top is because it is always the same
343, you are not going to get new players by putting stupid gimmicks in Halo.....
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Then we'd end up with an incredibly unbalanced, contradictory, and effectively unplayable piece of crap. Designing a game that's actually enjoyable is a lot harder than making a list of complaints and pushing a magic button. [Edited on 11.29.2012 6:49 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TehWarMoose Then we'd end up with an incredibly unbalanced, contradictory, and effectively unplayable piece of crap. Designing a game that's actually enjoyable is a lot harder than making a list of complaints and pushing a magic button.[/quote]
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Casuals will play and love a competitive game. But competitives will NOT play a casual game. So make a fair and balanced game and watch it flourish
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV Casuals will play and love a competitive game. But competitives will NOT play a casual game. So make a fair and balanced game and watch it flourish[/quote] LoL and Starcraft yo
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV Casuals will play and love a competitive game. But competitives will NOT play a casual game. So make a fair and balanced game and watch it flourish[/quote] This is why cod does well and halo 2/3 for that matter. I don't believe there is anyway to shut that point down.
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Lol you're implying that competitive players designed Halo 2 and 3 multiplayer?
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Wasn't it helped by some of the allegedly best MLG players? And now it caters to casuals?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] NinStarRune Wasn't it helped by some of the allegedly best MLG players? And now it caters to casuals?[/quote] The game was essentially done when they were invited. And even then, people arent going to flat out say, This game is terrible. To the people who just devoted the last 2 years of their lives to making it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Effective Strafe Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population [/quote]It also had zero competition on Live apart from RTCW which was almost 2 years old.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godshatter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Effective Strafe Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population [/quote]It also had zero competition on Live apart from RTCW which was almost 2 years old. [/quote] It doesnt matter if it had competition or not. If Halo 2 was released today, it would beat out all call of duties.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Effective Strafe Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population Halo 3 was somewhat competitive and had a high population Halo Reach was a broken game designed for casuals and had an OK Population Halo 4 is a good game covered with casual -blam!- and is declining pretty fast in population [/quote] Halo 2 had no competition. It essentially helped jump start xBox Live. Halo 3 had almost no competition. CoD4 came out around the same time, and hadn't gained the popularity it now enjoys. Halo Reach had competition from MW2. Halo 4 has competition from BO2.
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I would die inside....
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV If Halo 2 was released today, it would beat out all call of duties.[/quote] A game as broken as Halo 2 was would be dead in a week.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Seggi31 No.[/quote] Why?
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"Casual" is just a term used by folks as a justification to not listen to others with a differing view. Example: I disagree, but because of my disagreement I must be a casual and thus my opinion doesn't matter.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godshatter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Effective Strafe Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population [/quote]It also had zero competition on Live apart from RTCW which was almost 2 years old. [/quote] If Halo 2 was released today, it would beat out all call of duties.[/quote] And how did you expect to not come off as a fanboy with that sentence?
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Halo 4 is weird. At first, I liked it, but eventually I just saw the flaws and honestly, the game at its core is good, but the gimmicks ruin it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godshatter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Effective Strafe Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population [/quote]It also had zero competition on Live apart from RTCW which was almost 2 years old. [/quote] It doesnt matter if it had competition or not. If Halo 2 was released today, it would beat out all call of duties.[/quote]It's easy to make claims that can never be proved.
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Big maps are fine in any game, as long as the player cap fits the size of the map that is. Like bf3 on consoles, some of the maps are way too big for a console player cap.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV If Halo 2 was released today, it would beat out all call of duties.[/quote]Doubt it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DatDudeBV [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Godshatter [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Effective Strafe Halo 2 was competitive and had a high population [/quote]It also had zero competition on Live apart from RTCW which was almost 2 years old. [/quote] If Halo 2 was released today, it would beat out all call of duties.[/quote] And how did you expect to not come off as a fanboy with that sentence?[/quote] I am a fanboy. I love halo mjultiplayer But its embarrassing what halo has become.
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No, that's the worst idea I've ever heard, you "competitive pros" would have no Idea what you're doing, you have no Idea what balance is, how map dynamics work, how lines of sight have to be fairly balanced, depth, height of maps, if it should be a Vehicle map, or a close quarters map... Now, if you gave the best [b]forgers[/b] in halo free reign to make a map... well then you'd have balance, map dynamics, and proper maps... all of that good stuff that everyone likes. All the other stuff IDGAF unless you nerf my full auto weapons. if you think DMRs ande BRs should beat out the rest I don't want you even THINKING about weapon sandbox. [Edited on 11.29.2012 7:27 PM PST]
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... [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0]This video perfectly says what I am thinking right now...[/url]
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[url=http://www.mikesinkula.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DSC_1024-598x397.jpg]I can see it now[/url]. The ratio of 'competitive' players to 'casual' players is probably in the range of 1:10,000. If you want your game to sell you will design it to be easily accessible and fun. Just be happy that some games are flexible enough to provide both experiences. [Edited on 11.29.2012 7:28 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DaViDlIkEsPiE2 you have no Idea what balance is, .[/quote] HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Stop it. (in my mike ditka voice)
