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Madness

11/23/2012 11:45:16 AM
So, after the end of Halo 3, we're supposed to believe 4 and half years have passed. In this time, humanity has not only built the Infinity, but started the Spartan-IV program and basically become the dominant military might in the galaxy? What I mean is, humanity was on the verge of extinction. Entire colonies were destroyed, inluding Reach, the most important planet next to Earth. It was the home of the Spartan-II program and where the most "experimental" and top secret projects and equipment were. It was completely destroyed and "glassed". Then, we have Earth. Not only was a major city destroyed during a slip-space rupture, but it fell to the Covenant, and after the flood arrived, we needed help with the Sangheili (Elites) to glass and contain the parts where it were. So where did humans all of sudden get all that money to build fancy new spaceships? To restart programs that were too expensive at the height of our empire and power, and to make things better then before? Where does all the new armor come from? How do Spartan-IV's have better technology than even Spartan-II's? And how did Infinity find requiem? I mean, no one knew where the ark was, on the edge of the milky way galaxy. Humans couldn't venture so far, and that's why Chief drifted slowly. Now I know a lot of you will say it's been 4.5 years, but think about it. Spartan-III's were a poor attempt at recreating Spartan-II's. Also, how did Cortana not only upgrade Chief's firmware, but also use "nanomachines" to change his Mjolnir armor which was the pinnacle of UNSC technology? Also, how did DMR's and Armor Abilities which were experimental get off of Reach? I get it, 343 started a new story, and there are a few liberties, but humanity wasn't even close to these achievements when we had all our colonies, money, and planets, and now, soon after being on the verge of extinction, we are ten times more powerful and better off than before? Granted I haven't kept up with the new books, but I necessarily shouldn't have to. The games are the primary medium. Please discuss. I'm guessing it's just what most game companies do, how enemies seem to regroup stronger than before with each sequel etc.

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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    11/25/2012 2:14:44 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madness87 Roberto, the Covenant didn't shatter into dozens of fighting forces anymore than humans would have. Sure the Brutes, Elites, Jackals, Grunts may have gone their own way. But each by itself, outnumbered humanity. The Elites had at least 8 billion on their homeworld alone. Their colonies, their factions are all strong. The Covenant would still have the most colonies and planets in the galaxy because unlike humanity, they weren't destroyed. Let's say for argument sake, there are factions like the Storm covenant, and others. The majority of the fleet is loyal to the Arbiter and went home. They would easily have become the power for the Elite. [u]The Elite homeworld has erupted into numerous civil wars, with the Arbiter's allies AWOL. Really the only reason Arby's alive is because the Infinity saved him from a massive siege. For the most part, the Elites are not with the Arbiter, or they're on nobody's side. The books would really help you here.[/url] There has been no single indication at all to your assertion it was Mendicent Bias who sent Chief and Cortana drifting to Requiem. You are plain making things up. All because of a terminal where he said he wanted to atone for his sins and show his former masters he changed, that in turn makes you think that he used slipspace technology to cut half of the Chief's ship and send it drifting to Requiem? What if the cryo-pods failed? And if Cortana was too far gone, would she have been able to wake Chief before it crash landed on requiem? [u]"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example." This is the exact quote. He wants to use the Chief as proof that he has seen the error of his ways, and to do that, he must send the Chief to the Forerunners as atonement. And yet again, you completely ignore my question: how did the Chief survive the Halo blast if he didn't go through the portal? Don't give me that "they barely did," -blam!-, that isn't an answer. The Rings have a range of 25,000 light years, it is literally impossible for the Chief to have survived; the alternative is the worst example of plot armor in history. He got through the portal, and Bias diverted him to Requiem's system. I mean for -blam!- 's sake, the fact that he did this has been common knowledge for half a decade now, you can't even pretend to deny it now. Factors such as Cortana's rampancy and the FuD's integrity are factors outside of Bias' control, but the systems of the Ark are what projected and controlled the portal's integrity and where it lead. Which is another thing you're wrong about: the Great Portal network was used for the shipping of massive objects across the galaxy, such as the Halo Rings. It is actually how the 7 Rings got to their locations; it is also connected to the Requiem system because Requiem was the center for Promethean leadership.[/u] The slipspace portal doesn't work like that. It's one way only back and forth. That's why the Ark could only be accessed from the portal on Earth or the Arbiter was able to go back. How did he survive the blast? Easy, they barely did. The Forward Unto Dawn was completely smashed up and broken. To think this is what Mendicent Bias wanted is wrong. If he had the ability to manipulate a portal at will, why wouldn't he just send Chief to Requiem? Why make them drift 25,000 light years away from Earth for nearly 4.5 years? You're giving an answer to which there is none. Bungie just wanted to give hope to people that Chief would be found one day. 343 Industries made it so it was only 4.5 years later. [u]He doesn't send Chief to Requiem directly because the portal is connected to the system, not the planet. The planet rotates a star in constant motion, but the position of the Portal doesn't change. Or at least hasn't changed in 100,000 years.[/u] Once again, where did humanity get the ability to just "go" to planets at will? Even with slipspace travel, it would have taken far longer. Remember, we learned in Halo 4, there are no portals that lead to Requiem either because they didn't want Didact coming out. It's all a bit too convenient that the most massive human ship in the galaxy goes to Requiem and finds Chief there no? How is this realistic? Cortana knew the odds of finding them were like a needle in a haystack. [u]I already answered this, Christ. The Infinity is [i]integrated with Forerunner slipspace drives installed by Forerunner Huragok discovered at Onyx and various other locations.[/i] The Forerunners did not have limited slip travel like the humans. Finding Chief at Requiem was inevitable, as Requiem was one of the most important locations in the Forerunner military's atlas so would be on many of the star charts to be found in Forerunner military installations like Installation 03, and Chief was there because MB knew that's where the Didact was (and he was there because the planet was his). It's a simple matter of all signs pointing to Requiem because of the planet's signifigance. With Infinity's mission to be to find and document Forerunner worlds and installations, it was only a matter of time before they arrived at the planet and found him. Cortana's distress beacon only amplified tgose odds.[/u] I'm sorry Roberto, I know I am being difficult and a lot of these questions are unaskable because there is no information. The people who developed most of the story of this game no longer work on it, and the people now in charge are taking it in a new direction. All we know going by the games, Humanity was weakened and on the verge of extinction. They lost their military strength on Reach. The Spartan program was bankrupt from the start which is why they could only get such few children than what Halsey planned. And the money being spent was ridiculous. The armor etc. My point being, that even at the height of humanity's power, they weren't able to do all this, we're supposed to accept that just 4.5 years after Earth fell, after Reach was gone, they are stronger than before? That all of a sudden they have better armor, enough to train and equip hundreds and hundreds of new spartans? That rebuilding Reach took 27 years, but new ships and Spartans are what's important? Even after securing peace? [u]You really don't know anything about the Halo universe beyond the games do you? Halsey's SII program was limited yes, but Ackerson's Spartan III program wasn't. All told, there were a total of more than a thousand spartan III's. Most of them were dead because they were used on suicide missions, but the SIII program showed no signs of slowing down and continued right up to the destruction of its base of operations. The SIII program was rebuilt from its original goals to create an army of spartans at a cheaper price, renamed Spartan IV, and relocated aboard Infinity under new management. The Spartan program never stopped, but the original version, the SII program, did. Thanks Roberto, you are far more knowledgeable than me but I just don't like the direction the story took. I'll leave it here then, and hope Halo 5 has more answers than new questions. Thanks again.[/quote] It isn't a manner of poor direction, you just don't know enough about the universe, and in one case, actually seemed to be ignoring the answers. I thought you were trolling about the Bias thing, it's been common knowledge for so long. Halo is not a story capable of being told through just the games. To get a full appreciation for the story, the books are necesary. You stop thinking of them as extended media, and begin looking at them as sequels and prequels in the same vain as any movie series.
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    Noble819

    Noble819

    11/25/2012 1:15:40 AM Permalink
    [quote]The answers are just too convenient.[/quote] It's a science fiction video game series that's been adapted to novel form. What did you expect?
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    Madness

    Madness

    11/25/2012 12:35:41 AM Permalink
    Roberto, the Covenant didn't shatter into dozens of fighting forces anymore than humans would have. Sure the Brutes, Elites, Jackals, Grunts may have gone their own way. But each by itself, outnumbered humanity. The Elites had at least 8 billion on their homeworld alone. Their colonies, their factions are all strong. The Covenant would still have the most colonies and planets in the galaxy because unlike humanity, they weren't destroyed. Let's say for argument sake, there are factions like the Storm covenant, and others. The majority of the fleet is loyal to the Arbiter and went home. They would easily have become the power for the Elite. There has been no single indication at all to your assertion it was Mendicent Bias who sent Chief and Cortana drifting to Requiem. You are plain making things up. All because of a terminal where he said he wanted to atone for his sins and show his former masters he changed, that in turn makes you think that he used slipspace technology to cut half of the Chief's ship and send it drifting to Requiem? What if the cryo-pods failed? And if Cortana was too far gone, would she have been able to wake Chief before it crash landed on requiem? The slipspace portal doesn't work like that. It's one way only back and forth. That's why the Ark could only be accessed from the portal on Earth or the Arbiter was able to go back. How did he survive the blast? Easy, they barely did. The Forward Unto Dawn was completely smashed up and broken. To think this is what Mendicent Bias wanted is wrong. If he had the ability to manipulate a portal at will, why wouldn't he just send Chief to Requiem? Why make them drift 25,000 light years away from Earth for nearly 4.5 years? You're giving an answer to which there is none. Bungie just wanted to give hope to people that Chief would be found one day. 343 Industries made it so it was only 4.5 years later. Once again, where did humanity get the ability to just "go" to planets at will? Even with slipspace travel, it would have taken far longer. Remember, we learned in Halo 4, there are no portals that lead to Requiem either because they didn't want Didact coming out. It's all a bit too convenient that the most massive human ship in the galaxy goes to Requiem and finds Chief there no? How is this realistic? Cortana knew the odds of finding them were like a needle in a haystack. I'm sorry Roberto, I know I am being difficult and a lot of these questions are unaskable because there is no information. The people who developed most of the story of this game no longer work on it, and the people now in charge are taking it in a new direction. All we know going by the games, Humanity was weakened and on the verge of extinction. They lost their military strength on Reach. The Spartan program was bankrupt from the start which is why they could only get such few children than what Halsey planned. And the money being spent was ridiculous. The armor etc. My point being, that even at the height of humanity's power, they weren't able to do all this, we're supposed to accept that just 4.5 years after Earth fell, after Reach was gone, they are stronger than before? That all of a sudden they have better armor, enough to train and equip hundreds and hundreds of new spartans? That rebuilding Reach took 27 years, but new ships and Spartans are what's important? Even after securing peace? Thanks Roberto, you are far more knowledgeable than me but I just don't like the direction the story took. I'll leave it here then, and hope Halo 5 has more answers than new questions. Thanks again.
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    11/24/2012 8:23:04 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madness87 But the Covenant still maintained the strongest fleet. Without them, humans had no chance. So if they already had the strongest fleet and were headed home, why would humans all of a sudden surpass them? [u]You missed what I said: The Covenant shattered into dozens of seperate fighting forces that battle each other. Collectively, the Covenant would still be superior, but they aren't, and the ability to maintain their technology and improve upon it disappeared with the Huragok (who we now control, which is why the Infinity is so powerful)[/u] And Earth had fallen. They had attacked select locations, but the destroyed the entire UNSC homefleet. If they were in power in other places, high charity wouldn't have been able to crash into the planet, nor would the Covenant be able to drop in Scarabs at will. [u]High Charity never crashed onto the planet and Scarabs were never air dropped on earth. That was the Ark. How long's it been since you played Halo 3?[/u] And for conversation's sake, let's say they did find the coordinates, why would they just go to Requiem? And even then, the captain in charge didn't even care for Chief, who basically saved Earth and humanity? [u]They went to Requiem because Infinity's primary directive is to seek out and explore Forerunner worlds to gain their technology and find new places where the UNSC can expand and regrow. Requiem, a shield world treassure trove of Forerunner technology, would be a huge find. Infinity is like the starship Enterprise, so naturally, it went exploring.[/u] How could Mendicent Bias divert Chief? All that happened was the slipspace portal closed and the half with the arbiter made it through and Chief's didn't which is why it drifted. You mean to tell me Bias pushed it so accurately it would drift exactly 4.5 years directly to Requiem? [u]Again, you're ignoring what I'm saying: if you're right, how did the Chief survive the Halo blast at the Ark at all? He got through the Portal, but because Forerunner's mastery of slipspace is akin to our mastery over steam engines, he split the ship and sent John to Requiem to "atone for his sins." John emerges in the star system with Requiem in it, and 4.5 years later, the Dawn drifts close enough to Requiem to be captured by its gravity. I don't get what's so hard to believe about that.[/u] My point is, we are in space the Covenant and humanity were not able to reach. Humanity had clear limitations in the previous games. All of a sudden they have clear understanding of Forerunner technology and structures when it was AI like Cortana who were responsible for finding these things out. It's also convenient how they supposedly found the locations of the remaining Halo's. [u]The Huragok engineers that work for us were responsible for the sudden advancements in technology, and Halsey was responsible for coming to the scientific understanding of that technology. Star maps have been found at various sites, like Onyx, that lead to other locations important to the Forerunners. And only Installations 05 and 03 were found; the other 5 are still missing.[/u] My point being, you can't give clear answers because you don't know, none of us do, so then why should we accept it? They rebuilt the Spartan program which was basically running on fumes at the height of our empire and power, and now it's better than before? That fleets are rebuilt, that we have the ability to project unmatched power to the edge of the galaxy? Even if they left a lot of colonies untouched, the largest and most important ones were sttacked. [u]I have given you clear answers. Whatever questions I can't answer are unanswerable not because their is no answer, but because there is so little information, they are [i]unaskable[/i]. The Spartan program was not running on fumes, Gamma was being rotated out of training right at the end of the Covenant war. But with the destruction of Onyx, the deaths of Ackerson and Kurt, and improvements in technology, the SIII program continued in a new format under the management of Parangosky and Osman. The SIV program merely continues and achieves the goals the SIII program strived for, which was the ability to have Spartans become more the common soldier than unique supermen, to eventually have "100,000 Spartans defending humanity." So really all that changed was the location, management and name. This is one of those unaskable questions: we don't know [i]how much[/i] of the fleet is rebuilt, only that we do have a fleet. No one ever said the Home Fleet was the size or strength it once was. And the Infinity, being in essence a Forerunner exploratory vessel, is [i]designed[/i] for long distance travel into the far reaches of space. It was initially designed as a mobile base of operations to work out of if the Covenant destroyed earth, so being able to go where no man has gone before (heh) is in its job description. And yet another unaskable question: we do not know the strategic importance of the colonies that were ignored. All we know about them is that they were close to earth, making them inner colonies, making them highly valued.[/u] Thanks for the answers. I guess I have to live with these questions, hopefully Halo 5 clears it up, but I wanted the story to move forward in a realistic manner. Not to have "ancient evils awaken" and every assumption we know be turned around.[/quote] It has gone in a realistic manner, you're ignoring the answers.
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    roraj 196

    roraj 196

    11/24/2012 7:45:36 PM Permalink
    Humanity is the most powerful fighting force in the galaxy? As far as I can see, they have the [i]Infinity[/i] and the SIVs, both of which were long-term projects previously unmentioned. With the Covenant divided and leaderless, they're bound to be worse than at the height of their Empire.
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    Madness

    Madness

    11/24/2012 6:43:04 AM Permalink
    But the Covenant still maintained the strongest fleet. Without them, humans had no chance. So if they already had the strongest fleet and were headed home, why would humans all of a sudden surpass them? And Earth had fallen. They had attacked select locations, but the destroyed the entire UNSC homefleet. If they were in power in other places, high charity wouldn't have been able to crash into the planet, nor would the Covenant be able to drop in Scarabs at will. And for conversation's sake, let's say they did find the coordinates, why would they just go to Requiem? And even then, the captain in charge didn't even care for Chief, who basically saved Earth and humanity? How could Mendicent Bias divert Chief? All that happened was the slipspace portal closed and the half with the arbiter made it through and Chief's didn't which is why it drifted. You mean to tell me Bias pushed it so accurately it would drift exactly 4.5 years directly to Requiem? My point is, we are in space the Covenant and humanity were not able to reach. Humanity had clear limitations in the previous games. All of a sudden they have clear understanding of Forerunner technology and structures when it was AI like Cortana who were responsible for finding these things out. It's also convenient how they supposedly found the locations of the remaining Halo's. My point being, you can't give clear answers because you don't know, none of us do, so then why should we accept it? They rebuilt the Spartan program which was basically running on fumes at the height of our empire and power, and now it's better than before? That fleets are rebuilt, that we have the ability to project unmatched power to the edge of the galaxy? Even if they left a lot of colonies untouched, the largest and most important ones were sttacked. Thanks for the answers. I guess I have to live with these questions, hopefully Halo 5 clears it up, but I wanted the story to move forward in a realistic manner. Not to have "ancient evils awaken" and every assumption we know be turned around.
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    Yakov Sidorov

    Yakov Sidorov

    11/24/2012 2:23:10 AM Permalink
    The Infinity was in the works for years before the end of the Human-Covenant War, as was the SPARTAN-IV program, in 2553 the Spartan Branch was opened, bringing the S4 program into light, with any remaining S2/S3 joining the Spartan Branch. The UNSC located all other Halos, and begun researching them, they found Requiem either on a ring or through Contana's becon.
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    11/24/2012 1:43:43 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madness87 I play the games. I shouldn't have to read the books or watch the cartoons to try and make sense of the story. But even so, the Ark was 25,000 light years from Earth and so far away that humans and the covenant had never ventured close. They needed the portal to go there. After Halo 3, only the Arbiter made it back before the portal closed and the Ark was possibly destroyed. So he was drifting with Cortana nearly 25,000 light years away. They explained it a bit too easily. [u]No he wasn't. The Chief got through the Portal, but Bias diverted FuD to Requiem's location. They explain this in Halo 3's terminals. Otherwise, how did he survive Halo?[/u] Again, Reach was the most important military planet. The answers are just too convenient. I mean humanity was on the verge of extinction. Reach was glassed. It took them 27 years to re-terraform it and start rebuilding. So we're supposed to believe in less than 4 and half years they are even stronger than before? [u]No, but in 4 and a half years, all other competition has fragmented and shot themselves to so much -blam!- the UNSC is the only ones still qualified for the top title. A few secret projects always help of course, but they're not the main reason.[/u] Earth had fallen to the covenant, the UNSC homefleet was totally destroyed, and yet 4.5 years later, not only do we have the largest ship in the galaxy now, but a fleet that was supposedly rebuilt but from where? Space elevators, orbital defense platforms were all gone. [u]No they weren't. We saw 2 ODPs actually obliterated out of 300, and only one elevator destroyed. Everything else is speculation on just how the Covies disabled them. And the Covies ignored several human colonies to get to earth, whose resources were quite usable. And we already clarified where Infinity came from.[/u] I try and go by the games, and they said if Reach goes, so goes Earth since it was at the doorstep. Earth was the cultural, political and social hub of humanity and Reach was the military might. So where would ONi get the resources? Where would they get people? If it took them 27 years to fix Reach and re-inhabit it and it was at Earth's doorstep. [u]The games also say that Earth was the most heavily defended planet in the UNSC, and the Covies only attacked select locations. Combined with the reconstruction efforts lasting over a 5 year period buffing the unknown number of ships from the resources from an unknown number of whole planets, resulting in a home fleet of unknown size, explain to me again how any problems can possibly be considered anything other than base assumptions?[/u] Thanks for the answers guys, but this is what I don't like about games that change hands. It's like everything that was at stake in the previous games didn't really matter much. Guess there is not much reason for me to post then either.[/quote] [Edited on 11.23.2012 5:45 PM PST]
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    Grey101

    Grey101

    11/24/2012 1:39:14 AM Permalink
    It was stated during reclaimer that they went to Requiem to find out why the scientist got zapped by the composer. They found The Halo CE terminal glyphs along with the Didact's unbound one. the coordinates lead them to requiem. They [b]just[/b] got to requiem, it was clearly stated chief in like the third mission that the beacon got sucked into the planet with them. It was all explained, turning on subtitles can help.
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    GhostLink2401

    GhostLink2401

    11/24/2012 1:31:51 AM Permalink
    I still have issues with how [i]Infinity[/i] actually found Chief. Fine, they got they coordinates at Installation 03, but why head to Requiem at all? What drove them to go there? I don't know the exact range on a UNSC distress beacon, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to be relatively close to receive it. Unless Installation 03 was capable of picking up transmissions near Requiem, and relaying them back to the science teams stationed on the ring. And if Requiem was receiving FuD's beacon, why did it take the Didact's Cryptum 4 years to start scanning? I'm under the assumption that Mendicant Bias spat out FuD in Requiem's system, instead of them drifting there for 4 years. I figured they orbited until the Covies boarded the ship.
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    Grey101

    Grey101

    11/24/2012 12:08:43 AM Permalink
    OP you seriously need to read the kilo 5 novels even though that won't help much since karen doesn't explain any of the technical advancements.
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    Macharius

    Macharius

    11/24/2012 12:05:20 AM Permalink
    Never underestimate ONI's ability to produce secret projects at the drop of a hat. Seriously, it seems like every book has a new, shady, top secret ONI project included in there. Infinity found Requiem because of coordinates discovered at 03. I think they mentioned that in one of the cutscenes on the bridge. John was also sent to Requiem by Mendicant Bias, so he probably wasn't drifting for 25000 lightyears. Also, several colonies weren't attacked. In a rush to destroy Earth, the Covenant bypassed several other colonies. Everything else I agree with. I find it silly how humanity went from being on the brink of extinction to being the most powerful fighting force in the galaxy in just 4 years.
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    Madness

    Madness

    11/23/2012 11:55:08 PM Permalink
    I play the games. I shouldn't have to read the books or watch the cartoons to try and make sense of the story. But even so, the Ark was 25,000 light years from Earth and so far away that humans and the covenant had never ventured close. They needed the portal to go there. After Halo 3, only the Arbiter made it back before the portal closed and the Ark was possibly destroyed. So he was drifting with Cortana nearly 25,000 light years away. They explained it a bit too easily. Again, Reach was the most important military planet. The answers are just too convenient. I mean humanity was on the verge of extinction. Reach was glassed. It took them 27 years to re-terraform it and start rebuilding. So we're supposed to believe in less than 4 and half years they are even stronger than before? Earth had fallen to the covenant, the UNSC homefleet was totally destroyed, and yet 4.5 years later, not only do we have the largest ship in the galaxy now, but a fleet that was supposedly rebuilt but from where? Space elevators, orbital defense platforms were all gone. I try and go by the games, and they said if Reach goes, so goes Earth since it was at the doorstep. Earth was the cultural, political and social hub of humanity and Reach was the military might. So where would ONi get the resources? Where would they get people? If it took them 27 years to fix Reach and re-inhabit it and it was at Earth's doorstep. Thanks for the answers guys, but this is what I don't like about games that change hands. It's like everything that was at stake in the previous games didn't really matter much. Guess there is not much reason for me to post then either.
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    11/23/2012 3:48:35 PM Permalink
    1) Both the Infinity and Spartan IV programs were in development for decades. Infinity started construction in 2537, and the SIV program is a continuation of the goals of the SIII program. 2) We do not know how many ships were left at the end of H3, nor do we know how many more ships were constructed. We also don't know how limited we were. 3) Again, MJOLNIR's been under constant revisions and permutations since day 1. Why is it nobody asks how the Mk. VI could have been constructed so soon after the Mk. V despite the resources of the UNSC having been in about exactly the same situation as the Gen 2? 4) Requiem is equipped with Forerunner slip drives (using engineers), and they detected John's signal. 5) His armor is simple artistic license. But the DMR was standard issue Army gear, and AA were revisted by the Spartan IV program, and rebuilt. [Edited on 11.23.2012 7:51 AM PST]
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    switch 104 sv

    switch 104 sv

    11/23/2012 1:28:40 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madness87 So, after the end of Halo 3, we're supposed to believe 4 and half years have passed.[/quote] Yes. [quote]In this time, humanity has not only built the Infinity, but started the Spartan-IV program and basically become the dominant military might in the galaxy?[/quote] The Infinity was nearly complete around the time of the Battle of Earth, four years before Halo 4. Same goes for the IVs. It wouldn't have taken them long to getting the new Spartan program running because all the legwork was already done. The augmentations were already perfected and the training time was reduced because they were using pre-trained veteran adults as opposed to children. As for the military might, well without the Huragok the Covenant couln't repair existing ships and didn't know how to build new ones. They were left with whatever scraps was left after the schism. Infinity is retrofitted with Forerunner technology which makes it even more powerful than it initially was. [quote]What I mean is, humanity was on the verge of extinction. Entire colonies were destroyed, inluding Reach, the most important planet next to Earth. It was the home of the Spartan-II program and where the most "experimental" and top secret projects and equipment were. It was completely destroyed and "glassed". Then, we have Earth. Not only was a major city destroyed during a slip-space rupture, but it fell to the Covenant, and after the flood arrived, we needed help with the Sangheili (Elites) to glass and contain the parts where it were. So where did humans all of sudden get all that money to build fancy new spaceships? To restart programs that were too expensive at the height of our empire and power, and to make things better then before?[/quote] In short, ONI. ONI pulled resources from wherever they wanted to ensure that humanity got back into a strong position as quickly as possible. [quote]Where does all the new armor come from? How do Spartan-IV's have better technology than even Spartan-II's?[/quote] Gen. 2 is essentially Mk. VII. The reason most of the IIs didn't have it is because it was probably in experimental stages while they were fighting at Earth and then trapped in the Dyson sphere. Naomi got MK. VII as soon as it was available, it just so happens she was the only II that was around. [quote]And how did Infinity find requiem? I mean, no one knew where the ark was, on the edge of the milky way galaxy. Humans couldn't venture so far, and that's why Chief drifted slowly.[/quote] They found the coordinates at Installation 03. [quote]Now I know a lot of you will say it's been 4.5 years, but think about it. Spartan-III's were a poor attempt at recreating Spartan-II's.[/quote] No they weren't. They had better augmentations (I'm not arguing about this again for anyone who tries) and were mainly at a disadvantage because of inferior tech and the fact that were viewed as disposable. [quote]Also, how did Cortana not only upgrade Chief's firmware, but also use "nanomachines" to change his Mjolnir armor which was the pinnacle of UNSC technology?[/quote] The nanomachine thing is BS. It was 343i's way of creating a canon reason for the aesthitc change, which was completely unnecessary and causes more problems than fixing one that wasn't there to begin with. [quote]Also, how did DMR's and Armor Abilities which were experimental get off of Reach?[/quote] DMRs weren't experimental. They were used through the UNSC, mainly by the army. Only some of the AAs were experimental. Sprint was a MJOLNIR hack that Kat designed. Jet Packs were already in use. Camo was being used by the Headhunters. Armour Lock is built into MJOLNIR canonically, that's how the Chief survived his fall in Halo 3 and the IIs survived the jump in The Fall of Reach (or First Strike?). etc etc. [quote]I get it, 343 started a new story, and there are a few liberties, but humanity wasn't even close to these achievements when we had all our colonies, money, and planets, and now, soon after being on the verge of extinction, we are ten times more powerful and better off than before? [b][u]Granted I haven't kept up with the new books, but I necessarily shouldn't have to.[/b][/u] The games are the primary medium. Please discuss. I'm guessing it's just what most game companies do, how enemies seem to regroup stronger than before with each sequel etc.[/quote] There's your problem. These issues were addressed in the Kilo-Five books. I know what your saying about the games being the main medium but to be honest people who care about the issues you brought up usually have read or will read the the info from the extended fiction. Most players just play the game and accept that the UNSC now has a big ship and Spartan IVs.
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    11/23/2012 1:19:30 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheSpiderChief [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madness87 And how did Infinity find requiem? [/quote] Whilst I can't answer all of your questions I can answer this one as it was explained in Halo 3 (and Halo 4): Cortana dropped a distress beacon. And when the Chief says in Halo 4 "someone should have found us by now" the Infinity was on its way but they didn't know that.[/quote] It's actually explained in the campaign in Halo 4 while they are on the Infinity bridge.
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    TheSpiderChief

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    11/23/2012 1:07:05 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Madness87 And how did Infinity find requiem? [/quote] Whilst I can't answer all of your questions I can answer this one as it was explained in Halo 3 (and Halo 4): Cortana dropped a distress beacon. And when the Chief says in Halo 4 "someone should have found us by now" the Infinity was on its way but they didn't know that.
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